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bozak
2009-10-18 16:53:21 UTC
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3

lol... i love it...

the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
RickyBobby
2009-10-18 17:15:53 UTC
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Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX News
are not real?

Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his critics
on his show he does not really mean it?

Republicans believe in hard work and competition and the competitive free
enterprise system is the best system ever invented.

Democrats believe that the successful should be taxed at 90% of their income
so that slackers can lay on their government provided couch in their
government provided crib and watch Oprah and Judge Judy while smoking crack
cocaine and crystal meth.

The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats are
the entitlement and pro-drug party.

I bear no resentment towards President Obama and I hope he does something
good in the next three and a half years. So far he has done nothing but
mouth platitudes and give $ 4500 dollars to new cars buyers. And $ 8,000 to
house buyers.

Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?

If President Obama pledged to "redistribute the wealth" why is he
redistributing billions of tax dollars to people who already are set to buy
a car or a house? This seems sort of an odd practice.

I have a much better idea for "change you can believe in" that will only
cost as much as a few hundred dollars of gasoline for school buses.

Want to see some change you can believe in? Then redistribute some inner
city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute some swank
suburban kids to the city school system. Then you will see some change.

Get about a thousand kids from Chicago and bus them up to New Trier.
Dienazi
2009-10-18 18:01:15 UTC
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Post by RickyBobby
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX News
are not real?
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his critics
on his show he does not really mean it?
Republicans believe in hard work and competition and the competitive free
enterprise system is the best system ever invented.
Democrats believe that the successful should be taxed at 90% of their income
so that slackers can lay on their government provided couch in their
government provided crib and watch Oprah and Judge Judy while smoking crack
cocaine and crystal meth.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats are
the entitlement and pro-drug party.
I bear no resentment towards President Obama and I hope he does something
good in the next three and a half years. So far he has done nothing but
mouth platitudes and give $ 4500 dollars to new cars buyers. And $ 8,000 to
house buyers.
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
If President Obama pledged to "redistribute the wealth" why is he
redistributing billions of tax dollars to people who already are set to buy
a car or a house? This seems sort of an odd practice.
I have a much better idea for "change you can believe in" that will only
cost as much as a few hundred dollars of gasoline for school buses.
Want to see some change you can believe in? Then redistribute some inner
city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute some swank
suburban kids to the city school system. Then you will see some change.
Get about a thousand kids from Chicago and bus them up to New Trier.
The only good republican is a DEAD republican.
RickyBobby
2009-10-18 18:07:33 UTC
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Post by Dienazi
Post by RickyBobby
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX News
are not real?
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his critics
on his show he does not really mean it?
Republicans believe in hard work and competition and the competitive free
enterprise system is the best system ever invented.
Democrats believe that the successful should be taxed at 90% of their income
so that slackers can lay on their government provided couch in their
government provided crib and watch Oprah and Judge Judy while smoking crack
cocaine and crystal meth.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats are
the entitlement and pro-drug party.
I bear no resentment towards President Obama and I hope he does something
good in the next three and a half years. So far he has done nothing but
mouth platitudes and give $ 4500 dollars to new cars buyers. And $ 8,000 to
house buyers.
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
If President Obama pledged to "redistribute the wealth" why is he
redistributing billions of tax dollars to people who already are set to buy
a car or a house? This seems sort of an odd practice.
I have a much better idea for "change you can believe in" that will only
cost as much as a few hundred dollars of gasoline for school buses.
Want to see some change you can believe in? Then redistribute some inner
city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute some swank
suburban kids to the city school system. Then you will see some change.
Get about a thousand kids from Chicago and bus them up to New Trier.
The only good republican is a DEAD republican.
And the only good Democratic is an unemployed slacker laying on the couch
watching Oprah while smoking drugs.
$Bill
2009-10-18 19:57:41 UTC
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Post by RickyBobby
Post by Dienazi
The only good republican is a DEAD republican.
And the only good Democratic is an unemployed slacker laying on the
couch watching Oprah while smoking drugs.
By definition there are no good republicans or democrats.
Aluckyguess
2009-10-19 02:28:49 UTC
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Post by Dienazi
Post by RickyBobby
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX News
are not real?
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his critics
on his show he does not really mean it?
Republicans believe in hard work and competition and the competitive free
enterprise system is the best system ever invented.
Democrats believe that the successful should be taxed at 90% of their income
so that slackers can lay on their government provided couch in their
government provided crib and watch Oprah and Judge Judy while smoking crack
cocaine and crystal meth.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats are
the entitlement and pro-drug party.
I bear no resentment towards President Obama and I hope he does something
good in the next three and a half years. So far he has done nothing but
mouth platitudes and give $ 4500 dollars to new cars buyers. And $ 8,000 to
house buyers.
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
If President Obama pledged to "redistribute the wealth" why is he
redistributing billions of tax dollars to people who already are set to buy
a car or a house? This seems sort of an odd practice.
I have a much better idea for "change you can believe in" that will only
cost as much as a few hundred dollars of gasoline for school buses.
Want to see some change you can believe in? Then redistribute some inner
city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute some swank
suburban kids to the city school system. Then you will see some change.
Get about a thousand kids from Chicago and bus them up to New Trier.
The only good republican is a DEAD republican.
If they were all dead who would feed you.
Dienazi
2009-10-19 03:28:19 UTC
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Post by Aluckyguess
If they were all dead who would feed you.
They're not needed. Republicans are the scum of the earth and should be
put in concentration camps and exterminated.
Aluckyguess
2009-10-19 04:23:06 UTC
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Post by Dienazi
Post by Aluckyguess
If they were all dead who would feed you.
They're not needed. Republicans are the scum of the earth and should be
put in concentration camps and exterminated.
You are one sick son of a bitch, biting the hand that feeds you.
Luca
2009-10-18 19:02:48 UTC
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"bozak"
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX
News are not real?
Yes, they're not.
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his
critics on his show he does not really mean it?
No, he'll say whatever his boss says. Bill O'Reilly on Fox News is a
character he plays to earn crazy money.
Republicans believe in hard work and competition
... and government handouts, overbilled government contracts, gang-rape
waivers and tax breaks for millionaires.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats
are the entitlement and pro-drug party.
anti-drug? does that mean they turn down Big Pharma's bribes or does
that mean they don't do coke on the Congress john?
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
Tax breaks for millionaires = no money for people who rely on government
cheese.
Why give government cheese to people who can afford to buy their own
Port-marinated Stilton?
Want to see some change you can believe in? Then redistribute some
inner city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute
some swank suburban kids to the city school system. Then you will see
some change.
Bus it!

The 50s just called. They want their idea back.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1853532

Luca
--
"J'envoie énormement de MCs à l'ANPE."
- Akh
RickyBobby
2009-10-18 19:30:03 UTC
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Post by Luca
"bozak"
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX
News are not real?
Yes, they're not.
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his
critics on his show he does not really mean it?
No, he'll say whatever his boss says. Bill O'Reilly on Fox News is a
character he plays to earn crazy money.
Republicans believe in hard work and competition
... and government handouts, overbilled government contracts, gang-rape
waivers and tax breaks for millionaires.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats
are the entitlement and pro-drug party.
anti-drug? does that mean they turn down Big Pharma's bribes or does
that mean they don't do coke on the Congress john?
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
Tax breaks for millionaires = no money for people who rely on government
cheese.
Why give government cheese to people who can afford to buy their own
Port-marinated Stilton?
Want to see some change you can believe in? Then redistribute some
inner city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute
some swank suburban kids to the city school system. Then you will see
some change.
Bus it!
We agree on one thing. Get some of those kids out of PS123 or whatever they
call it in Chicago and bus them thirty minutes up to New Trier.

I do not have any axe to grind on one side or the other but I do believe in
fair play.

I am not in any way trying to outguess President Obama but if he really
wants to redistribute the wealth maybe he can start by giving everyone some
opportunity.

Giving 4500 to new car buyers and 8000 to home buyers may be well
intentioned but it does not really help any of the core problems.

Tell the UPSP and FedEx and UPS to have a trial program for local residents
to sort parcels for 14 dollars per hour. That would be reasonable. The ones
who can show up five days in a row have a paying job and the ones who cannot
just leave room for the next ones.

I am not Greenspan and I really do not know how to break poverty. But I
think I do know it is not by making billionaires out of Wall Street bankers.

The economic system this country was founded upon is not broken, it is just
out of tune.
Luca
2009-10-18 20:18:19 UTC
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Post by RickyBobby
We agree on one thing. Get some of those kids out of PS123 or whatever
they call it in Chicago and bus them thirty minutes up to New Trier.
Sounds good on paper but if it was a solution, how come the US is not
much better off by now? Busing has been used for 50 years now (on and off).
Post by RickyBobby
Tell the UPSP and FedEx and UPS to have a trial program for local
residents to sort parcels for 14 dollars per hour. That would be
reasonable. The ones who can show up five days in a row have a paying
job and the ones who cannot just leave room for the next ones.
Could be a start. Locally, it'd give a couple of people some ends. But
that's not the reason people are losing their jobs and homes.
Post by RickyBobby
I am not Greenspan and I really do not know how to break poverty. But I
think I do know it is not by making billionaires out of Wall Street bankers.
Now we talking. One investment bank's money scheme gobbles up the
paydays of thousands of hard-working people, just for shits and giggles.
But I'm afraid Obama's finance advisors are from the same bank that was
key in sending the economy down the toilet: Goldman Sachs.
Post by RickyBobby
The economic system this country was founded upon is not broken, it is
just out of tune.
... or on crack.

Luca
--
"J'envoie énormement de MCs à l'ANPE."
- Akh
s***@aol.com
2009-10-20 19:03:39 UTC
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Post by Luca
We agree on one thing.  Get some of those kids out of PS123 or whatever
they call it in Chicago and bus them thirty minutes up to New Trier.
Sounds good on paper but if it was a solution, how come the US is not
much better off by now? Busing has been used for 50 years now (on and off).
Tell the UPSP and FedEx and UPS to have a trial program for local
residents to sort parcels for 14 dollars per hour.  That would be
reasonable. The ones who can show up five days in a row have a paying
job and the ones who cannot just leave room for the next ones.
Could be a start. Locally, it'd give a couple of people some ends. But
that's not the reason people are losing their jobs and homes.
I am not Greenspan and I really do not know how to break poverty.  But I
think I do know it is not by making billionaires out of Wall Street bankers.
Now we talking. One investment bank's money scheme gobbles up the
paydays of thousands of hard-working people, just for shits and giggles.
But I'm afraid Obama's finance advisors are from the same bank that was
key in sending the economy down the toilet: Goldman Sachs.
The economic system this country was founded upon is not broken, it is
just out of tune.
... or on crack.
Luca
--
"J'envoie énormement de MCs à l'ANPE."
- Akh
How to fixt the problems? Regular people need to go to war, to take
the shit back from the bankers and the political class. Our future is
squatting in abandoned and forclosed homes, and burning mortgages
paper and worthless dollar bills in camp fires to stay warm.
s***@aol.com
2009-10-20 19:01:00 UTC
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Post by Luca
"bozak"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRH...
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX
News are not real?
Yes, they're not.
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his
critics on his show he does not really mean it?
No, he'll say whatever his boss says. Bill O'Reilly on Fox News is a
character he plays to earn crazy money.
Republicans believe in hard work and competition
... and government handouts, overbilled government contracts, gang-rape
waivers and tax breaks for millionaires.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats
are the entitlement and pro-drug party.
anti-drug? does that mean they turn down Big Pharma's bribes or does
that mean they don't do coke on the Congress john?
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
Tax breaks for millionaires = no money for people who rely on government
cheese.
Why give government cheese to people who can afford to buy their own
Port-marinated Stilton?
Want to see some change you can believe in?  Then redistribute some
inner city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute
some swank suburban kids to the city school system.  Then you will see
some change.
Bus it!
We agree on one thing.  Get some of those kids out of PS123 or whatever they
call it in Chicago and bus them thirty minutes up to New Trier.
I do not have any axe to grind on one side or the other but I do believe in
fair play.
I am not in any way trying to outguess President Obama but if he really
wants to redistribute the wealth maybe he can start by giving everyone some
opportunity.
Giving 4500 to new car buyers and 8000 to home buyers may be well
intentioned but it does not really help any of the core problems.
Tell the UPSP and FedEx and UPS to have a trial program for local residents
to sort parcels for 14 dollars per hour.  That would be reasonable. The ones
who can show up five days in a row have a paying job and the ones who cannot
just leave room for the next ones.
I am not Greenspan and I really do not know how to break poverty.  But I
think I do know it is not by making billionaires out of Wall Street bankers.
The economic system this country was founded upon is not broken, it is just
out of tune.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The cash for clunkers was not to help car buyers it was a scheme to
help corporations selling cars.
Opportunity? Capitalism is collapsing world wide. There will never be
a revovery and if you want to look at future 'prosperity' in the US
empire look for what the Russian Federation exists on. You had better
like eating out of your garden. When the predator powers collapse,
they go to war with each other. If you want to glimpse the future,
think of Obama instituting the draft.
s***@aol.com
2009-10-20 18:57:50 UTC
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Post by Luca
"bozak"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRH...
Does that mean that all of those interviews and film clips I see on FOX
News are not real?
Yes, they're not.
Does that mean when Bill O'Reilly says he would love to invite his
critics on his show he does not really mean it?
No, he'll say whatever his boss says. Bill O'Reilly on Fox News is a
character he plays to earn crazy money.
Republicans believe in hard work and competition
... and government handouts, overbilled government contracts, gang-rape
waivers and tax breaks for millionaires.
The Republicans are the pro-work, anti-drug party while the Democrats
are the entitlement and pro-drug party.
anti-drug? does that mean they turn down Big Pharma's bribes or does
that mean they don't do coke on the Congress john?
Maybe I am missing something here but why give thousands of dollars to
people who already have enough money to buy a house or car?
Tax breaks for millionaires = no money for people who rely on government
cheese.
Why give government cheese to people who can afford to buy their own
Port-marinated Stilton?
Want to see some change you can believe in?  Then redistribute some
inner city kids to the swank suburban school districts and redistribute
some swank suburban kids to the city school system.  Then you will see
some change.
Bus it!
The 50s just called. They want their idea back.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1853532
Luca
--
"J'envoie énormement de MCs à l'ANPE."
- Akh
Barrack Obama is by any measure a Republican. He's blowing up our
brothers and sisters in Afghanistan and Iraq. He doesn't believe in
the right to a fair trial (he's proposed Preventative Dedention
something Bush didn't dare do) or that people in his custody should
not be tortured or abused. He just stole 18 trillion (with a T)
dollars for his banking cronies by looting the treasuries (you might
have seen that one on TV) 4 trillion is unaccounted for from the
Department of Justice.

Obama's job is to save Capitalism for the rich Capitalists. Fuck that!
George W. Obama
2009-10-18 20:19:24 UTC
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Post by bozak
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
http://www.nolanchart.com/article6121.html

The Obama Failure

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In less than one hundred days in office, President Obama has
managed to single-handedly destroy our economy and waste the
opportunity to bring real change and hope for our country.
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by Abelardo Arias
(libertarian)
Friday, March 13, 2009
_______________


"Yes we can!" roared the crowd. It was an emotional night for
everyone. The 2008 presidential election was over. John McCain
had lost to the first major party endorsed African-American
presidential candidate in United States history. We finally
closed troubling chapters in our history such as Mississippi
burning and the civil rights marches of Selma.

Republicans, including the bewildered Religious Right, sat
stunned in their seats wondering what would happen to their
country. It was not because the Democratic Party was any
different from the Bush Administration but because the GOP had
pathetically lost its neo-conservative bully pulpit in the White
House.

Democrats cheered with glee at the opportunity to take back the
power that was theirs during the Clinton Glory Days. They
salivated at the prospect of re-introducing neo-liberal
interventionism on foreign soil and overseas markets They longed
to once again crank the Dollar presses to inflate the money
supply in the name of the "poor" this time instead of
"business". They would gladly finish the work of the Fall of
the American Empire started under the Bush Regime.

And now, the smoke and mirrors game goes on. The crooked
politicians of 2009 are no different than the corrupt
politicians of the Gilded Age or the Roaring Twenties. Crony
capitalists like oil barons and railway tycoons then lined the
pockets of our nation's representatives to further the goals of
Big Business and destroy the wealth of American workers. Sound
familiar?

President Obama had a unique opportunity in history -- and he
blew it. He brought us "change" indeed. He slammed the Bush
Doctrine in all its ugly forms of secrecy and judicial
obstruction into executive hyper-drive. The rhetoric of
compassionate conservative now became the drivel of
compassionate liberalism.

If there is one thing Americans say about Obama it is this: he
cares.

He cares for the mechanic in Detroit who lost his job. He cares
for the middle-aged couple living in the Hooverville tent
outside Sacramento. He cares for the middle class mother and her
three kids in Toledo spending their nights in a homeless shelter
with the addicted and the ignored.

But does Obama really care?

In fact, his compassionate liberalism runs so deep that it pulls
a move from the old Ronald Reagan playbook we knew as trickle-
down economics. These days the compassionate White House grants
bail-out money to financial monsters like AIG and Bank of
America. There could be no better help for the American veteran
shivering under a bridge tonight because there just aren't any
more jobs. (Unless of course, you can beat out the 200 other
people applying for that one lonely job opening.) The idea is
that bail-out money will sooner or later trickle-down to the
great unwashed masses of Americans wondering what in Sam Hill
happened to the real estate market and their retirement accounts.

It may only be a drop of financial bail-out -- but hey it
trickled down. Next up, bread lines!

The truth is that the White House allowed corporate giant CEOs
to loot and pilfer the public treasury. This Administration is
following the same tortured logic of the previous one which
assured us that falsely accused cab drivers from Baghdad were
receiving comfortable attention at Guantanamo Bay.

The left-right political paradigm in this country is a sham.
(Sorry to disappoint my fellow Evangelical Christians.) Both
parties have proven to be Big Business, Big Government
warmongers. For those who actually wished McCain had been
elected just think about this: the GOP would have put up no
opposition to the new President's Stimulus Package and would
have rammed through trillions more in "help" for America.

So there you have it. President Obama is as bad as the worst
conservative and as bad as the worst liberal -- and all with a
smile.

How is the left-right scenario a sham? Consider the following.

The gay rights issue is a political distraction. Stem cell
research? Just more Big Research pork-barrel spending. Abortion?
It's the political Gordian Knot that requires even the most
astute of political science majors to bust a gut if they dare
try to untie it. The so-called immigration invasion? A typical
act of sensational yellow journalism that says, "Look over
there, Bubba! It ain't your own government stealin' your hard-
earned dollars, it's them Mexicans lookin' for revenge and
dishwasher jobs since the Alamo!" Sorry, Pat Buchanan, the
"Death of the West" comes from the corruption in our government,
not the immigrants heading back home in record numbers.

What are the real issues of post-election America? For starters,
the destruction of individual wealth in this country, save for
the high upper class. We are on the verge of an economic
meltdown that will dwarf the Great Depression and will take
decades to recover. There is no need for a conspiracy theory
here -- only the urgency of understanding the mess that we
allowed to happen and how we can financially protect ourselves.

We must not waste time. We must move our already-compromised and
over-valued U.S. Dollars into assets of real value. This does
not include real estate unless you're buying ten cents or less
on the high-priced dollar. Forget your 401(k), pensions and your
annuities. Unless you can take your money out, they are toast.
The stock market is one toxic graveyard, particularly finance
shares. Dump them. Invest in precious metals, food supply,
cigarettes, alcohol and medicine for trade and help for your
neighbors when the Dollar collapses.

Consider buying silver, palladium and gold from reputable
sellers like apmex.com. I personally recommend silverbullion.com
because I support the goals of the owner Jason Hommel to bring
silver back as the most effective medium of exchange. Remember,
that despite the U.S. Treasury's naked assertions, the U.S.
Constitution expressly reserves the right of individual States
to mint legal tender coins so long as they're gold or silver.

When the dollar collapses, I do not think that New York City
will burn or that the United States will come to an immediate
end. But if it did, the blame must rest entirely on Barack Obama
and his Congressional Criminal Syndicate.

Some might here criticize me as being unfair. After all, George
W. Bush The Evangelical nearly bankrupted this country with his
illegal wars, his blatant lies to stir Americans to bloodshed,
his deliberate obstruction to the 9/11 Commission, his last-
minute corporate bailout to the tune of hundreds of billions,
his economic tinkering with interest rates, his unconscionable
acts of torturing innocent men and children, his doubling of the
national debt, et cetera, et cetera.

But let me be clear about this. George W. Bush is a public
menace. He and his cadre must be tried and convicted of their
crimes. But that will never happen under an Obama Presidency, in
spite of the President's left-leaning brand of crony capitalism.
The Truth Commission currently at play in the Congress is merely
a circus show to fool Americans into thinking that we actually
take seriously the crimes of torture, invasion, occupation,
mayhem, pillaging, looting, rape, pollution, perjury, bribery
and killing of civilians with illegal weapons of war.

Every moment that the Obama Administration rolls on without
prosecuting the crimes of the former Administration, it exists
as a de facto confirmation that our new President has sold out
to the rich and that he lied to his Democratic base and the
American voter. The White House today has continued in the same
deadly bait-and-switch tactics of the former Village Idiot-In-
Chief. Additionally, Obama has moved to control more media and
aggressively solidify relationships with members of the "War and
Bankers Party" on both sides of the aisle.

For a President to vociferously take on Rush Limbaugh the GOP's
talk radio attack dog is an alarming signal. Besides the fact
that the Democrats want to point out the weakness of the GOP's
leadership vacuum, Obama is inserting himself into the realm of
media and entertainment instead of focusing on how his office
can uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution in light of the
economic crisis. Are we really so surprised to see the leftist
authoritarian Hugo Chavez, who is a regular media personality,
cheer Obama in his nationalization and socialization of the
banking and insurance industries?

Evangelical Christian radio stations are scared stiff about the
Democratic-led Congress reviving restrictions on Americans to
share their religious opinions over the people's airwaves. And
they should be concerned. (I particularly enjoy my local
station.) After all, the same kind of government that monitors,
censors, filters and controls any form of media is the same
type of authoritarianism that steals, plunders and coerces its
own people. One look at China's control of the internet and
Google's sickening overture to that regime is enough to make any
civil libertarian's skin crawl. Reports that Australia is
considering Chinese-style filtering over what their people can
access on the internet makes me want to boycott eucalyptus
leaves.

So why is President Obama responsible for our economic debacle?

Because it's the first rule of leadership. Everything is your
fault. If he didn't like the prospect of being stuck with the
mess of his predecessor he should have remained in the Senate or
considered an honest living like working for AIG or Lehmann
Brothers. Obama has not only repeated the same unconstitutional
trespasses of Bush II, but he actually increased the amount of
corporate welfare to the Bank Barons. Obama turned a blind eye
to the Federal Reserve's arbitrary usury practice through the
printing of increasingly worthless U.S. Dollars.

Are we really going to see a Dow Jones 4000? The answer is
regrettably yes -- and then some. There are economic forces at
play that will no longer be ignored or manipulated. Human
behavior will always gravitate towards self-preservation and the
protection of our future generations through wealth-building,
capital, production and labor. All the paper fiat money and
government spending in the world can never stop that or help
this economic disaster recover without drastic corrections to
our own cursed speculative market. The times of fast and easy
money are over.

President Obama has not even finished his first year in office
and I must already call him out as one of the worst Executives
ever in the history of our Republic. Bush II is close behind.
Every GOP and Democratic elected leader that voted for any of
these crooked bail-outs deserves a one-way ticket to an
electoral defeat. Should state law allow it, a public tar-and-
feathering might be in order.

When our country faced economic dangers, depressionary woes and
international volatility let it be said that President Obama
failed to protect us from the corruption of Congress, the
indifference of the Judiciary and the foolishness of the People.
Let it be said that he abandoned his post to uphold the
Constitution. Let it be said that he whored his policies and his
office for the rich and powerful, both foreign and domestic. Let
it be said that we voted for change and all we got was the Raw
Deal of the Obama Failure.


--


Abelardo Arias is a private attorney and an independent-minded
libertarian He and his wife unschool their children at home as
an alternative to government schooling. Send him mail to be
placed on his free newsletter list.
Swillabrew
2009-10-19 21:34:34 UTC
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Post by George W. Obama
Send him mail to be
placed on his free newsletter list.
And you'll get what you pay for.

Go Blazers ! (no homos)
s***@aol.com
2009-10-20 20:00:20 UTC
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Post by George W. Obama
In article <3f2d74cd-af55-47c1-a159-
Post by bozak
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this...  :-)
http://www.nolanchart.com/article6121.html
The Obama Failure
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In less than one hundred days in office, President Obama has
managed to single-handedly destroy our economy and waste the
opportunity to bring real change and hope for our country.
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by Abelardo Arias
(libertarian)
Friday, March 13, 2009
_______________
"Yes we can!" roared the crowd. It was an emotional night for
everyone. The 2008 presidential election was over. John McCain
had lost to the first major party endorsed African-American
presidential candidate in United States history. We finally
closed troubling chapters in our history such as Mississippi
burning and the civil rights marches of Selma.
Republicans, including the bewildered Religious Right, sat
stunned in their seats wondering what would happen to their
country. It was not because the Democratic Party was any
different from the Bush Administration but because the GOP had
pathetically lost its neo-conservative bully pulpit in the White
House.
Democrats cheered with glee at the opportunity to take back the
power that was theirs during the Clinton Glory Days. They
salivated at the prospect of re-introducing neo-liberal
interventionism on foreign soil and overseas markets They longed
to once again crank the Dollar presses to inflate the money
supply in the name of the "poor" this time instead of
"business".  They would gladly finish the work of the Fall of
the American Empire started under the Bush Regime.
And now, the smoke and mirrors game goes on. The crooked
politicians of 2009 are no different than the corrupt
politicians of the Gilded Age or the Roaring Twenties. Crony
capitalists like oil barons and railway tycoons then lined the
pockets of our nation's representatives to further the goals of
Big Business and destroy the wealth of American workers. Sound
familiar?
President Obama had a unique opportunity in history -- and he
blew it. He brought us "change" indeed. He slammed the Bush
Doctrine in all its ugly forms of secrecy and judicial
obstruction into executive hyper-drive. The rhetoric of
compassionate conservative now became the drivel of
compassionate liberalism.
If there is one thing Americans say about Obama it is this: he
cares.
He cares for the mechanic in Detroit who lost his job. He cares
for the middle-aged couple living in the Hooverville tent
outside Sacramento. He cares for the middle class mother and her
three kids in Toledo spending their nights in a homeless shelter
with the addicted and the ignored.
But does Obama really care?
In fact, his compassionate liberalism runs so deep that it pulls
a move from the old Ronald Reagan playbook we knew as trickle-
down economics. These days the compassionate White House grants
bail-out money to financial monsters like AIG and Bank of
America. There could be no better help for the American veteran
shivering under a bridge tonight because there just aren't any
more jobs. (Unless of course, you can beat out the 200 other
people applying for that one lonely job opening.) The idea is
that bail-out money will sooner or later trickle-down to the
great unwashed masses of Americans wondering what in Sam Hill
happened to the real estate market and their retirement accounts.
 It may only be a drop of financial bail-out -- but hey it
trickled down. Next up, bread lines!
The truth is that the White House allowed corporate giant CEOs
to loot and pilfer the public treasury. This Administration is
following the same tortured logic of the previous one which
assured us that falsely accused cab drivers from Baghdad were
receiving comfortable attention at Guantanamo Bay.
The left-right political paradigm in this country is a sham.
(Sorry to disappoint my fellow Evangelical Christians.) Both
parties have proven to be Big Business, Big Government
warmongers. For those who actually wished McCain had been
elected just think about this: the GOP would have put up no
opposition to the new President's Stimulus Package and would
have rammed through trillions more in "help" for America.
So there you have it. President Obama is as bad as the worst
conservative and as bad as the worst liberal -- and all with a
smile.
How is the left-right scenario a sham? Consider the following.
The gay rights issue is a political distraction. Stem cell
research? Just more Big Research pork-barrel spending. Abortion?
It's the political Gordian Knot that requires even the most
astute of political science majors to bust a gut if they dare
try to untie it. The so-called immigration invasion? A typical
act of sensational yellow journalism that says, "Look over
there, Bubba! It ain't your own government stealin' your hard-
earned dollars, it's them Mexicans lookin' for revenge and
dishwasher jobs since the Alamo!" Sorry, Pat Buchanan, the
"Death of the West" comes from the corruption in our government,
not the immigrants heading back home in record numbers.
What are the real issues of post-election America? For starters,
the destruction of individual wealth in this country, save for
the high upper class. We are on the verge of an economic
meltdown that will dwarf the Great Depression and will take
decades to recover.  There is no need for a conspiracy theory
here -- only the urgency of understanding the mess that we
allowed to happen and how we can financially protect ourselves.
We must not waste time. We must move our already-compromised and
over-valued U.S. Dollars into assets of real value. This does
not include real estate unless you're buying ten cents or less
on the high-priced dollar. Forget your 401(k), pensions and your
annuities. Unless you can take your money out, they are toast.
The stock market is one toxic graveyard, particularly finance
shares. Dump them. Invest in precious metals, food supply,
cigarettes, alcohol and medicine for trade and help for your
neighbors when the Dollar collapses.
Consider buying silver, palladium and gold from reputable
sellers like apmex.com. I personally recommend silverbullion.com
because I support the goals of the owner Jason Hommel to bring
silver back as the most effective medium of exchange. Remember,
that despite the U.S. Treasury's naked assertions, the U.S.
Constitution expressly reserves the right of individual States
to mint legal tender coins so long as they're gold or silver.
When the dollar collapses, I do not think that New York City
will burn or that the United States will come to an immediate
end. But if it did, the blame must rest entirely on Barack Obama
and his Congressional Criminal Syndicate.
Some might here criticize me as being unfair. After all, George
W. Bush The Evangelical nearly bankrupted this country with his
illegal wars, his blatant lies to stir Americans to bloodshed,
his deliberate obstruction to the 9/11 Commission, his last-
minute corporate bailout to the tune of hundreds of billions,
his economic tinkering with interest rates, his unconscionable
acts of torturing innocent men and children, his doubling of the
national debt, et cetera, et cetera.
But let me be clear about this. George W. Bush is a public
menace. He and his cadre must be tried and convicted of their
crimes. But that will never happen under an Obama Presidency, in
spite of the President's left-leaning brand of crony capitalism.
The Truth Commission currently at play in the Congress is merely
a circus show to fool Americans into thinking that we actually
take seriously the crimes of torture, invasion, occupation,
mayhem, pillaging, looting, rape, pollution, perjury, bribery
and killing of civilians with illegal weapons of war.
Every moment that the Obama Administration rolls on without
prosecuting the crimes of the former Administration, it exists
as a de facto confirmation that our new President has sold out
to the rich and that he lied to his Democratic base and the
American voter. The White House today has continued in the same
deadly bait-and-switch tactics of the former Village Idiot-In-
Chief.  Additionally, Obama has moved to control more media and
aggressively solidify relationships with members of the "War and
Bankers Party" on both sides of the aisle.
For a President to vociferously take on Rush Limbaugh the GOP's
talk radio attack dog is an alarming signal. Besides the fact
that the Democrats want to point out the weakness of the GOP's
leadership vacuum, Obama is inserting himself into the realm of
media and entertainment instead of focusing on how his office
can uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution in light of the
economic crisis. Are we really so surprised to see the leftist
authoritarian Hugo Chavez, who is a regular media personality,
cheer Obama in his nationalization and socialization of the
banking and insurance industries?
Evangelical Christian radio stations are scared stiff about the
Democratic-led Congress reviving restrictions on Americans to
share their religious opinions over the people's airwaves. And
they should be concerned. (I particularly enjoy my local
station.) After all, the same kind of government that monitors,
censors, filters and controls any form of media  is the same
type of authoritarianism that steals, plunders and coerces its
own people. One look at China's control of the internet and
Google's sickening overture to that regime is enough to make any
civil libertarian's skin crawl. Reports that Australia is
considering Chinese-style filtering over what their people can
access on the internet makes me want to boycott eucalyptus
leaves.
So why is President Obama responsible for our economic ...
read more »
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'

We don't need Bush or Obama.

We need Mao Tse Tung.
Swillabrew
2009-10-20 21:56:08 UTC
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<***@aol.com> wrote in message news:5a3c8111-4d01-4ddf-b6e4-***@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************

True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes through
hard work & innovative ideas. What we have in the US is Corporatism with a
healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the ultra-rich getting
richer & the rest of us paying for it.

Go Blazers !
Aluckyguess
2009-10-21 04:36:34 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************
True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes
through hard work & innovative ideas. What we have in the US is
Corporatism with a healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the
ultra-rich getting richer & the rest of us paying for it.
Go Blazers !
Capitalism with the government interfering doesn't work. You cant bail out
the weak, and you cant have a government spending money it doesn't have and
will never ever be able to pay back.
$Bill
2009-10-21 05:03:27 UTC
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Post by Aluckyguess
Capitalism with the government interfering doesn't work. You cant bail out
the weak, and you cant have a government spending money it doesn't have and
will never ever be able to pay back.
All we need is proper govt regulation - not spending.
s***@aol.com
2009-10-21 05:29:30 UTC
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Post by Aluckyguess
Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************
True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes
through hard work & innovative ideas.  What we have in the US is
Corporatism with a healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the
ultra-rich getting richer & the rest of us paying for it.
Go Blazers !
Capitalism with the government interfering doesn't work. You cant bail out
the weak, and you cant have a government spending money it doesn't have and
will never ever be able to pay back.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Whole Foods CEO just made a press release saying that the Constitution
doesn't insure the right having food to eat, having shelter or getting
medicine.
Then my response is: "What the FUCK good is the US Constitution then?!
In Socialist countries these things were rights.
$Bill
2009-10-21 05:50:32 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
Whole Foods CEO just made a press release saying that the Constitution
doesn't insure the right having food to eat, having shelter or getting
medicine.
Then my response is: "What the FUCK good is the US Constitution then?!
In Socialist countries these things were rights.
It's your right to grow your own food or buy it and not to have it
stolen from you - not to have the rest of us feed you while you
sit on your lazy ass. Surprisingly, however we still feed thousands
of people anyway.
clouddreamer
2009-10-21 12:18:37 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
Post by Aluckyguess
Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************
True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes
through hard work & innovative ideas. What we have in the US is
Corporatism with a healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the
ultra-rich getting richer & the rest of us paying for it.
Go Blazers !
Capitalism with the government interfering doesn't work. You cant bail out
the weak, and you cant have a government spending money it doesn't have and
will never ever be able to pay back.- Hide quoted text -
The past recession has proven that regulation works. Look at the bank
industry in Canada. It was singled out as one of the countries where
regulation prevented a housing crisis (as proof of ability to pay during
the ENTIRE term of the mortgage is required) and other poor spending
practices. At the height of the crisis, the Royal Bank posted almost a
billion in profits.
Post by s***@aol.com
Post by Aluckyguess
- Show quoted text -
Whole Foods CEO just made a press release saying that the Constitution
doesn't insure the right having food to eat, having shelter or getting
medicine.
Then my response is: "What the FUCK good is the US Constitution then?!
In Socialist countries these things were rights.
Doesn't it give them the right to "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?"

I would take the right to "life" as the right to food and shelter.

Of course, the rich CEOs won't see it that way. They'll tread on anyone
that gets between them and more profit.

..
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
Aluckyguess
2009-10-21 23:26:11 UTC
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Post by Aluckyguess
Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************
True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes
through hard work & innovative ideas. What we have in the US is
Corporatism with a healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the
ultra-rich getting richer & the rest of us paying for it.
Go Blazers !
Capitalism with the government interfering doesn't work. You cant bail out
the weak, and you cant have a government spending money it doesn't have and
will never ever be able to pay back.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Whole Foods CEO just made a press release saying that the Constitution
doesn't insure the right having food to eat, having shelter or getting
medicine.
Then my response is: "What the FUCK good is the US Constitution then?!
In Socialist countries these things were rights.

Our government is suppose to protect us, the rest we do on our own.
Jabba
2009-10-21 07:21:24 UTC
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Post by Aluckyguess
Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************
True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes
through hard work & innovative ideas.  What we have in the US is
Corporatism with a healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the
ultra-rich getting richer & the rest of us paying for it.
Go Blazers !
Capitalism with the government interfering doesn't work. You cant bail out
the weak, and you cant have a government spending money it doesn't have and
will never ever be able to pay back.
Modern history is against you on this one. You can have government
interference, you can bail out failing companies for political reasons
and you can have government spending money it doesn't have. We have
had all of that over the last 30 years and it works rather well.

--
jabba
citizen of the empire
Jabba
2009-10-21 07:19:35 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
***********************************************************
True Capitalism works well and allows any of us to become successes through
hard work & innovative ideas.  What we have in the US is Corporatism with a
healthy does of Cronyism on the side, which keeps the ultra-rich getting
richer & the rest of us paying for it.
Go Blazers !
How do you know it works well??? Or put another way, when has "true
capitalism" ever existed?

And, I'll go so far to say that "corporatism with a healthy dose of
cronyism" quote works unquote remarkably well if success is measured
by the ability of people with good hard work ethics and good ideas to
prosper. Which is to say that these things are relative, right?

Or another spin -- do you think "corporatism with a healthy dose of
cronyism" works better or worse than the social democratic (read more
gov interference) capitalist model of most european countries??

Does it work better or worse than the even bigger corporatism with an
even healthier dose or cronyism in asian "tigers" like South Korea?

Does it work better or worse than the "used to be communist but not
heavily corporatized with a HEAVY dose of corruption" as in China
currently?

It's all relative at this point, eh?

--
jabba
citizen of the empire
Jabba
2009-10-21 07:29:53 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
What the Libertarian doesn't understand is that all the crisis
mentioned is due to the fact that Capitalism works very well, but only
for the rich. Capitalism continually booms and busts. Capitalism is a
failure. A planned economy where people work collectively for the
common good is what the world is calling out for. Fuck Capitalism!
Fuck Libertarianism! Fuck the Constitution, an exploiter's vision of
'freedom.'
The rotting corpse stench of your ideology offends me. Do you really
think there is anyone (literate) left on the planet buying this tired
played out RCP bullshit?

A planned economy just fucks people in slow motion compared to the
free market.
Post by s***@aol.com
We don't need Bush or Obama.
We need Mao Tse Tung.
And especially fuck Mao Tse Tung -- one of the biggest mass murderers
in history.

No doubt that peasants (in general they are and have been well and
truly fucked by history) in the backwaters of backward ass countries
find some comfort and inspiration in the words of Mao the
revolutionary warrior, but the atrocities of the Cultural Revolution
must never be forgotten or forgiven.


--
jabba
citizen of the empire
Wingnut
2009-10-18 21:26:19 UTC
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Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Hey! I resemble that remark! Seriously though, it's killing me to have to
tune to Fox to watch the Angels.
Swillabrew
2009-10-19 21:35:40 UTC
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Post by Wingnut
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Hey! I resemble that remark! Seriously though, it's killing me to have
to tune to Fox to watch the Angels.
Yeah, they show right field crowd shots way more than the left field crowd.
: )

Go Blazers !
Chim Chim
2009-10-20 02:25:31 UTC
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Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Are you kidding, this is beautiful! I hope the Obama adminstration does not
let up.

It's drawing more people then ever to the Fox network out of curiosity. Then
the truth hooks them. Fox is cleaning house and it's great seeing some of
you bitches cry inside. It's great being number #1 in a cess pool of
linguine spined liberals. LOL.

When you mess with the cobra, you get bit!
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-10-20 03:53:48 UTC
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Post by Chim Chim
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Are you kidding, this is beautiful! I hope the Obama adminstration does not
let up.
It's drawing more people then ever to the Fox network out of curiosity. Then
the truth hooks them. Fox is cleaning house and it's great seeing some of
you bitches cry inside. It's great being number #1 in a cess pool of
linguine spined liberals. LOL.
When you mess with the cobra, you get bit!
i believe FoxNews is more popular nationally than NewJesus.

of course saying that makes me a racist.

but nowadays any statement that doesn't drip with praises for our Dear Leader is
considered racist.

anyway, yes... the NewJesus administration doing battle with FoxNews is a joke.
one would think they have far more important things to be concerned with.


GB
--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
Terraholm
2009-10-20 05:05:06 UTC
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Post by Chim Chim
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Are you kidding, this is beautiful! I hope the Obama adminstration does not
let up.
It's drawing more people then ever to the Fox network out of curiosity. Then
the truth hooks them. Fox is cleaning house and it's great seeing some of
you bitches cry inside. It's great being number #1 in a cess pool of
linguine spined liberals. LOL.
When you mess with the cobra, you get bit!
"The real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked,
but the conservatives who believed it....."
Nickolas D. Kristof
bozak
2009-10-20 09:49:02 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Chim Chim
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Are you kidding, this is beautiful! I hope the Obama adminstration does not
let up.
It's drawing more people then ever to the Fox network out of curiosity. Then
the truth hooks them. Fox is cleaning house and it's great seeing some of
you bitches cry inside. It's great being number #1 in a cess pool of
linguine spined liberals. LOL.
When you mess with the cobra, you get bit!
"The real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked,
but the conservatives who believed it....."
Nickolas D. Kristof
bullshit, they were and are moronic wingnuts that only care about white people,
being rich, and having the power to kill whoever they want...

theyre were already mentally disturbed and there is no help for those morons...

just look at how those morons carry on about how "right they" are about everything
after the 40 year disaster that is the republikkkon party...

pathetic...
Aluckyguess
2009-10-21 04:41:34 UTC
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Post by bozak
bullshit, they were and are moronic wingnuts that only care about white people,
being rich, and having the power to kill whoever they want...
Only a stupid black person would write something that ridiculous.
Chim Chim
2009-10-20 13:04:29 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Chim Chim
Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Are you kidding, this is beautiful! I hope the Obama adminstration does
not let up.
It's drawing more people then ever to the Fox network out of curiosity.
Then the truth hooks them. Fox is cleaning house and it's great seeing
some of you bitches cry inside. It's great being number #1 in a cess pool
of linguine spined liberals. LOL.
When you mess with the cobra, you get bit!
"The real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked,
but the conservatives who believed it....."
Nickolas D. Kristof
".....The real losers of Fox News are the Obama administration,
and the liberals who belive the lies and propaganda that the white house
delivers....."
Chim Chim
Terraholm
2009-10-20 14:52:01 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Chim Chim
When you mess with the cobra, you get bit!
"The real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked,
but the conservatives who believed it....."
Nickolas D. Kristof
".....The real losers of Fox News are the Obama administration,
and the liberals who belive the lies and propaganda that the white house
delivers....."
Found those WMDs yet?

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/the-incredible-shrinking-gop-only-one-in-five-self-identify-as-republican/


The Incredible Shrinking GOP:
Only 20 Percent Self-Identify As Republican
Chim Chim
2009-10-20 15:08:41 UTC
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/the-incredible-shrinking-gop-only-one-in-five-self-identify-as-republican/
Only 20 Percent Self-Identify As Republican
Your preaching to the choir. They doesn't mean they are democrat or liberal
by default. The fact that the GOP is shrinking is a good sign for the
conservative movement. We can detect bullshit.While supporters of the
democratic party continue to allow themsleves to be lied to and manipulated.
Do you have as postives news to share for the democratic party?
Terraholm
2009-10-20 20:03:37 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/the-incredible-shrinking-gop-only-one-in-five-self-identify-as-republican/
Only 20 Percent Self-Identify As Republican
Your preaching to the choir. They doesn't mean they are democrat or liberal
by default.
Means they are embarrassed and disillusioned...
Post by Chim Chim
The fact that the GOP is shrinking is a good sign for the
conservative movement.
This movement is not "conservative"
Strong republican 13% bet they all say they are conservatives.
Post by Chim Chim
We can detect bullshit. While supporters of the
democratic party continue to allow themsleves to be lied to and manipulated.
Sure, but at least we know it...they are all politicians.
Post by Chim Chim
Do you have as postives news to share for the democratic party?
They are in power.
Obama beat McCain so we have not invaded or bombed Iran and will not
stay in Iraq for "a hundred years".

Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of stem cell research,
Obama thanked personally by noted liberals like Nancy Reagan.
SCHIP is again providing health care for Kids that had none. Bush was
only willing to fund providing Iraqi children with universal health care.
Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of providing birth
control and education around the world.
And every other news item that started with "Reversing Bush's Policy"

Stimulus money is repairing infrastructure, helping states maintain jobs
and actually building stuff instead a small tax rebate to be spent at
walmart like last year's stimulus from Bush. (Sure kept the economy
going huh?) Instead of going to rebuilding infrastructure and paying for
jobs for Iraqis.
Repairing the American international reputation and our relationships
with our allies has a start.

A perhaps progressive replaced the retiring one on SCOTUS, keeping the
court in some slight balance.

Engaged Russia, allowed the US military access through Russian
territory to more effectively fight the war in Afghanistan including
costs, decreases global nuclear stockpiles (on the Russian side helps
them out of the hands of al Qai'da), and encourages Russian cooperation
on Iran.

other important stuff

and small shit:

Obama pissed off PETA for killing a fly...And better yet got around the
faux outrage PETA planned for actually buying a purebred dog from a
breeder"
A responsible breeder and a liter from well bred genetically screened
parents... and properly socialized and trained before moving in to a
high stress situation...all with a little aid from Teddy K to making
"Bo" look like a "rescue".
--
Laurel T
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and
hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless
series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
Chim Chim
2009-10-21 13:36:17 UTC
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Means they are embarrassed and disillusioned...
It's more like they hold thier elected officials accountable.
Post by Terraholm
The fact that the GOP is shrinking is a good sign for the conservative
movement.
This movement is not "conservative"
Strong republican 13% bet they all say they are conservatives.
Center right.
Post by Terraholm
Do you have as postives news to share for the democratic party?
They are in power.
This is due to Bush selling out to his party and Obama lying to his
supporters in order to get elected.
Terraholm
2009-10-21 14:00:02 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Means they are embarrassed and disillusioned...
It's more like they hold thier elected officials accountable.
And they are running away from their elected republican officials.
Last time so few claimed the party Kennedy was in office.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
The fact that the GOP is shrinking is a good sign for the conservative
movement.
This movement is not "conservative"
Strong republican 13% bet they all say they are conservatives.
Center right.
Bull. That might be the 7% claiming weak republican. More likely the
ones that have gone to Independent leans republican. About 10%
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Do you have as postives news to share for the democratic party?
They are in power.
This is due to Bush selling out to his party and Obama lying to his
supporters in order to get elected.
They all lie to get elected. Likely because the electorate does not want
to hear the truth.

Nice answer to the rest of the list of positives for the dems this year.
Snip it after you asked for it.
--
Laurel T
"I speak of these New American Century men who
have taken our beloved country and all it
stands for it and thrown it down into the mud.
You will note that I did not name George W. Bush,
for blaming Bush for the gross misadministration of
this government is like blaming Mickey Mouse when
Disney screws up." William Rivers Pitt
Chim Chim
2009-10-22 15:00:42 UTC
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"> Nice answer to the rest of the list of positives for the dems this year.
Post by Terraholm
Snip it after you asked for it.
Obama beat McCain so we have not invaded or bombed Iran and will not stay
in Iraq for "a hundred years".
Do you have proof that we will NOT be in Iraq for "a hundred years". ?
Post by Terraholm
Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of stem cell research,
Obama thanked personally by noted liberals like Nancy Reagan.
SCHIP is again providing health care for Kids that had none. Bush was only
willing to fund providing Iraqi children with universal health care.
Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of providing birth
control and education around the world.
And every other news item that started with "Reversing Bush's Policy"
Kids are not denied health care in this country, medicaid picks up the tab.
Post by Terraholm
Stimulus money is repairing infrastructure, helping states maintain jobs
and actually building stuff instead a small tax rebate to be spent at
walmart like last year's stimulus from Bush. (Sure kept the economy going
huh?) Instead of going to rebuilding infrastructure and paying for jobs for
Iraqis.
Obama claimed the result of his stimulus bill would be the creation of 3.5
million jobs, the US has already lost a total of 2.7 million jobs. 49 of 50
states have lost jobs since stimulus was implemented. He also said if we
passed the stimulus, unemployment would not go above 8%. Just over 30K jobs
have been created.
Post by Terraholm
Repairing the American international reputation and our relationships with
our allies has a start.
In my opinion we are losing respect due to his indecisive passive stance on
issues. Obama is a likeable but shallow person. He does not have solid
convictions. He panders to the far left. Unfortunatley for him, the majority
of this country does not subscribe to this way of thinking.
Post by Terraholm
A perhaps progressive replaced the retiring one on SCOTUS, keeping the
court in some slight balance.
It's fine
Post by Terraholm
Engaged Russia, allowed the US military access through Russian
territory to more effectively fight the war in Afghanistan including costs,
decreases global nuclear stockpiles (on the Russian side helps them out of
the hands of al Qai'da), and encourages Russian cooperation on Iran.
Russia is using Obama and taking advantage of his obvious inexperience and
weakness. I guess in a liberal mind, talking down your country makes you
look stronger to our adversaries?
Post by Terraholm
other important stuff
Obama pissed off PETA for killing a fly...And better yet got around the
faux outrage PETA planned for actually buying a purebred dog from a
breeder"
A responsible breeder and a liter from well bred genetically screened
parents... and properly socialized and trained before moving in to a high
stress situation...all with a little aid from Teddy K to making "Bo" look
like a "rescue".
What happend to the pound puppy?

Do you remember these promises:
To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the
public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any
non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to
review and comment on the White House website for five days

Lobbyists.
No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted
to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to
their prior employer for two years.

Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

Earmark Reform

Bring Troops home in 16 Months

4K College tax credit.

Transparency. This speaks for iteslf

The list goes on and on.


Bottom line. Obama and his administration has a different agenda then the
one he presented to the people who voted for him. Again, Obama is a nice
person with a nice family, but he has surrounded himself with people who do
not represent the majority of the people in THIS country. There is NO WAY he
would have been elected if people who voted for him knew what they know now
about him and his administration.
Terraholm
2009-10-22 15:30:11 UTC
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"> Nice answer to the rest of the list of positives for the dems this year.
Post by Terraholm
Snip it after you asked for it.
Obama beat McCain so we have not invaded or bombed Iran and will not stay
in Iraq for "a hundred years".
Do you have proof that we will NOT be in Iraq for "a hundred years". ?
Post by Terraholm
Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of stem cell research,
Obama thanked personally by noted liberals like Nancy Reagan.
SCHIP is again providing health care for Kids that had none. Bush was only
willing to fund providing Iraqi children with universal health care.
Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of providing birth
control and education around the world.
And every other news item that started with "Reversing Bush's Policy"
Kids are not denied health care in this country, medicaid picks up the tab.
Nope, the SCHIP covered kids whose families were not poor 'enough' to
qualify for medicaid.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Stimulus money is repairing infrastructure, helping states maintain jobs
and actually building stuff instead a small tax rebate to be spent at
walmart like last year's stimulus from Bush. (Sure kept the economy going
huh?) Instead of going to rebuilding infrastructure and paying for jobs for
Iraqis.
Obama claimed the result of his stimulus bill would be the creation of 3.5
million jobs,
Create or Save.


the US has already lost a total of 2.7 million jobs. 49 of 50
Post by Chim Chim
states have lost jobs since stimulus was implemented.
How many without it would have been lost?

He also said if we
Post by Chim Chim
passed the stimulus, unemployment would not go above 8%. Just over 30K jobs
have been created.
Not so. And how many were saved?
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Repairing the American international reputation and our relationships with
our allies has a start.
In my opinion we are losing respect due to his indecisive passive stance on
issues. Obama is a likeable but shallow person. He does not have solid
convictions.
Good. More to not stubborn. Someone that does not plow ahead on a wrong
course because god told him to invade a country will be a nice change.
Post by Chim Chim
He panders to the far left.
Damn I wish...
Post by Chim Chim
Unfortunatley for him, the majority
of this country does not subscribe to this way of thinking.
Apparently they do.

How many subscribed to the way McCain thought? Hell the 2000 McCain
would not have voted for the pandering to the far right 2008 McCain.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
A perhaps progressive replaced the retiring one on SCOTUS, keeping the
court in some slight balance.
It's fine
Post by Terraholm
Engaged Russia, allowed the US military access through Russian
territory to more effectively fight the war in Afghanistan including costs,
decreases global nuclear stockpiles (on the Russian side helps them out of
the hands of al Qai'da), and encourages Russian cooperation on Iran.
Russia is using Obama and taking advantage of his obvious inexperience and
weakness. I guess in a liberal mind, talking down your country makes you
look stronger to our adversaries?
He was far more effective already with Russia in getting those things
than the cowboy pointing missiles at them from Europe.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
other important stuff
Obama pissed off PETA for killing a fly...And better yet got around the
faux outrage PETA planned for actually buying a purebred dog from a
breeder"
A responsible breeder and a liter from well bred genetically screened
Post by Terraholm
parents... and properly socialized and trained before moving in to a high
stress situation...all with a little aid from Teddy K to making "Bo" look
like a "rescue".
What happend to the pound puppy?
So you will not have a child because there are plenty in orphanages that
need homes?
Post by Chim Chim
To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the
public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any
non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to
review and comment on the White House website for five days
Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
Earmark Reform
Bring Troops home in 16 Months
Combat Out of Iraq...he never promised he was bring them home.
So it will be 20. I still trusted and supported Hillary just for the
reason she had more to gain politically for getting out of Iraq. I was
worried he would just cave to the crap about letting the military make
all the decisions.
Post by Chim Chim
4K College tax credit.
Transparency. This speaks for iteslf
The list goes on and on.
Sure. You did not ask me for a list of negatives.
The list of positives was a lot shorter for the last guy.
Post by Chim Chim
Bottom line. Obama and his administration has a different agenda then the
one he presented to the people who voted for him. Again, Obama is a nice
person with a nice family, but he has surrounded himself with people who do
not represent the majority of the people in THIS country. There is NO WAY he
would have been elected if people who voted for him knew what they know now
about him and his administration.
Right...we would never have elected bush either...oh wait we did it once
after he got us into Iraq...
--
Laurel
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more
and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." -HL
Mencken, (1880 - 1956)
Dewey
2009-10-22 15:46:13 UTC
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"> Nice answer to the rest of the list of positives for the dems this year.
Post by Terraholm
Snip it after you asked for it.
Obama beat McCain so we have not invaded or bombed Iran and will not
stay in Iraq for "a hundred years".
Do you have proof that we will NOT be in Iraq for "a hundred years". ?
We are already drawing down, something McCain would not have done.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of stem cell
research, Obama thanked personally by noted liberals like Nancy
Reagan. SCHIP is again providing health care for Kids that had none.
Bush was only willing to fund providing Iraqi children with universal
health care. Stupid religious morals will not stand in the way of
providing birth control and education around the world.
And every other news item that started with "Reversing Bush's Policy"
Kids are not denied health care in this country, medicaid picks up the tab.
That explains why we need sCHIP
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Stimulus money is repairing infrastructure, helping states maintain
jobs and actually building stuff instead a small tax rebate to be
spent at walmart like last year's stimulus from Bush. (Sure kept the
economy going huh?) Instead of going to rebuilding infrastructure and
paying for jobs for Iraqis.
Obama claimed the result of his stimulus bill would be the creation of
3.5 million jobs, the US has already lost a total of 2.7 million jobs.
So without the stimulus we could have lost 6.2 million jobs. WAY TO GO
BUSH!!!
Post by Chim Chim
49 of 50 states have lost jobs since stimulus was implemented. He also
said if we passed the stimulus, unemployment would not go above 8%.
Just over 30K jobs have been created.
So he misunderestimated just how badly Bush fucked up our economy.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Repairing the American international reputation and our relationships
with our allies has a start.
In my opinion we are losing respect due to his indecisive passive
Then your "opinion" run contrary to the vast majority of the people
whose opinion actually matters.

IT's like saying "In my opinion, most Americans actually think abortion
is great."
Post by Chim Chim
stance on issues. Obama is a likeable but shallow person. He does not
He's shallow? And no doubt Bush is deep.
Post by Chim Chim
have solid convictions. He panders to the far left. Unfortunatley for
He panders to the far left? That explains why he is so stead-fast in
favor of single-payer health insurance and why he is doggedly pursuing
investigations of fraud and corruption in the Bush administration.

Do you actually believe the crap you type?
Post by Chim Chim
him, the majority of this country does not subscribe to this way of
thinking.
And yet, a majority of Americans still support his ideas. Odd that.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
A perhaps progressive replaced the retiring one on SCOTUS, keeping the
court in some slight balance.
It's fine
No, it's still far too conservative, reactionary and legislative.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Engaged Russia, allowed the US military access through Russian
territory to more effectively fight the war in Afghanistan including
costs, decreases global nuclear stockpiles (on the Russian side helps
them out of the hands of al Qai'da), and encourages Russian
cooperation on Iran.
Russia is using Obama and taking advantage of his obvious inexperience
and weakness. I guess in a liberal mind, talking down your country
makes you look stronger to our adversaries?
Russia is now backing the US on Iran. Under Bush they opposed the US on
Iran. It sure does look like we're being used.
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
other important stuff
Obama pissed off PETA for killing a fly...And better yet got around
the faux outrage PETA planned for actually buying a purebred dog from
a breeder"
A responsible breeder and a liter from well bred genetically
screened
parents... and properly socialized and trained before moving in to a
high stress situation...all with a little aid from Teddy K to making
"Bo" look like a "rescue".
What happend to the pound puppy?
To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before
the public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign
any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an
opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five
days
What bill has been passed in less than 5 days?
Post by Chim Chim
Lobbyists.
No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be
permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and
substantially related to their prior employer for two years.
You do realize that this is more evidence against your claim that he is
pandering to the left, don't you? I don't understand how you can so
blatantly contradict yourself without seeing it. Everyone else sees it.
Post by Chim Chim
Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
Earmark Reform
Bring Troops home in 16 Months
4K College tax credit.
There is still something called "congress" you know. Or maybe you don't.
I realize they rolled over and played dead for Bush for 6 years so maybe
it's excusable.
Post by Chim Chim
Transparency. This speaks for iteslf
Compared to Bush, Obama's administration is being run on national
television
Post by Chim Chim
The list goes on and on.
Bottom line. Obama and his administration has a different agenda then
the one he presented to the people who voted for him. Again, Obama is
Incorrect. As I pointed out last summer when lefties were screaming
"Obama is tracking to the middle," Obama was never a far left liberal.
The conservative american press sold that notion in an attempt to
frighted voters during the primaries. Lefties bought it and feel
betrayed. You bought and see something underhanded.
Post by Chim Chim
a nice person with a nice family, but he has surrounded himself with
people who do not represent the majority of the people in THIS
country. There is NO WAY he would have been elected if people who
voted for him knew what they know now about him and his
administration.
Incorrect. If both his policies and McCain's had been more accurately
represented by the activist american media even more people would have
voted for him because they would have seen Obama as more centrist and
McCain as far more radical than they were actually portrayed.
--
"I talked to God about that and he was like, 'No.'"

- Joe The Plumber, hearing the voices
bozak
2009-10-22 20:50:17 UTC
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Post by Dewey
Post by Chim Chim
"> Nice answer to the rest of the list of positives for the dems this year.
Post by Terraholm
Snip it after you asked for it.
Obama beat McCain so we have not invaded or bombed Iran and will not
stay in Iraq for "a hundred years".
Do you have proof that we will NOT be in Iraq for "a hundred years". ?
We are already drawing down, something McCain would not have done.
sure he wouldve, he wouldve moved troops from iraq to afghanistan...
what makes you think he wouldnt have???
Terraholm
2009-10-22 20:58:23 UTC
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Post by bozak
Post by Dewey
Post by Chim Chim
"> Nice answer to the rest of the list of positives for the dems this year.
Post by Terraholm
Snip it after you asked for it.
Obama beat McCain so we have not invaded or bombed Iran and will not
stay in Iraq for "a hundred years".
Do you have proof that we will NOT be in Iraq for "a hundred years". ?
We are already drawing down, something McCain would not have done.
sure he wouldve, he wouldve moved troops from iraq to afghanistan...
what makes you think he wouldnt have???
Contractors and oil.
Terraholm
2009-10-22 21:03:46 UTC
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Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
Chim Chim
2009-10-22 21:22:22 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
No. They seem to still be telling the truth.

On the other hand I did notice the other networks prostituting themselves to
their pimp daddy.

Other then that it all seems normal.
Terraholm
2009-10-22 21:50:14 UTC
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Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
No. They seem to still be telling the truth.
A few pieces of truth are working their way in since they got called
out...
Chim Chim
2009-10-22 21:55:51 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
No. They seem to still be telling the truth.
A few pieces of truth are working their way in since they got called
out...
LOL :)
Dewey
2009-10-23 18:32:48 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
They see the writing on the wall. The GOP is dead. Love live the GOP.
--
"You are, number 6"
- The New Number 2
Chim Chim
2009-10-23 20:57:30 UTC
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Post by Dewey
Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
They see the writing on the wall. The GOP is dead. Love live the GOP.
--
"You are, number 6"
- The New Number 2
This is actually a good thing. Unlike the Democratic Party, conservatives
finally know they are not being represented by their leaders and are leaving
the GOP in droves. I don't like people in the GOP calling themselves a
conservative and act like a liberal democrat. The fact that people are
leaving the GOP does not mean they stopped being a conservative. It will
evolve into a better party. Democrats will not evolve until they strart
being honest with themsleves.



Perhaps one day you will realize the Democrat party has been using
minorities and uneducated folks to get the vote and then leave them to
suffer in their squalor like condition. I will not stoop to your level
though and demonize mislead people of the Democrat party. I know you have
been trained to think that the GOP is evil and the Democrat party is your
savior. It's probably a generational defect, like child abuse. Are you ready
to break the cycle? I hope one day people who vote democrat expecting to get
something for nothing learn to stand on their own. They will understand the
crutch they seek is from a strong knit family and community, not some
government handout.



While the voting base of the Democrat and Republican Party are throwing
rocks at each other, our elected officials are laughing all the way to power
and the bank. As is the special interests that funded their campaign so we
would be manipulated to vote for them.
b***@hotmail.com
2009-10-23 21:34:55 UTC
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Post by Chim Chim
While the voting base of the Democrat and Republican Party are throwing
rocks at each other, our elected officials are laughing all the way to power
and the bank. As is the special interests that funded their campaign so we
would be manipulated to vote for them.
Excellent post (well, not the Democrat baiting, but this last
paragraph). I think both political parties have stopped serving
everyone but the megarich. I have been deeply disappointed by the
current Dems in power and feel they no longer represent me. And going
with the GOP is not an option. Time has come for a third party that
represents the middle and lower classes. Unfortunately, whenever
anyone talks about putting some limits on the unethical behavior of
the ruling class, the elephants are all out yelling "Socialism!". Hey,
I love the idea of free enterprise, but what about when it becomes
crooked and wrong, like it is now? Our "bailouts" are so far from the
principles of the free market it's a joke. Instead of being given
money, Wall Street should be shook upside down until they cough up all
the money they've blown.

<---Sick of partisans too, but also tired of the GOP blaming this all
on Obama...he didn't do the first, no-strings bailout, and he didn't
get us into Iraq or Afghanistan either.
bozak
2009-10-24 21:56:41 UTC
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Post by b***@hotmail.com
Post by Chim Chim
While the voting base of the Democrat and Republican Party are throwing
rocks at each other, our elected officials are laughing all the way to power
and the bank. As is the special interests that funded their campaign so we
would be manipulated to vote for them.
Excellent post (well, not the Democrat baiting, but this last
paragraph). I think both political parties have stopped serving
everyone but the megarich. I have been deeply disappointed by the
current Dems in power and feel they no longer represent me. And going
with the GOP is not an option. Time has come for a third party that
represents the middle and lower classes.
gee, ive only been saying this since i began posting here... :-(
b***@hotmail.com
2009-10-24 23:44:55 UTC
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On Oct 24, 5:56 pm, " bozak"
gee, ive only been saying this since i began posting here...  :-(
Yeah, I'm sorry, I was still holding out for the Dummocrats. I was
hopeful Barack was gonna straighten them out. Apparently THAT ain't
happenin.

Only the Democrats could take the disaster the GOP is and turn it into
a loss...
s***@aol.com
2009-10-25 04:47:33 UTC
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On Oct 24, 5:56 pm, "       bozak"
gee, ive only been saying this since i began posting here...  :-(
Yeah, I'm sorry, I was still holding out for the Dummocrats. I was
hopeful Barack was gonna straighten them out. Apparently THAT ain't
happenin.
Only the Democrats could take the disaster the GOP is and turn it into
a loss...
We live under an economic and political system called Capitalism.
Obama's policies are Bush's policies. Obama can't even be considered
an American. He does not believe in the right to a fair trial (he's
proposed Preventative Detention, which Bush didn't dare do) and Obama
doesn't people that some one should not be tortured or abused under
his incarceration. The reason that both the Democrats and the
Republicans are the same is because Capitalism is a system. Shame shit
different pile. "Meet the new boss same as the old boss. We don't get
fooled again." --The Who
$Bill
2009-10-25 07:17:24 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
We live under an economic and political system called Capitalism.
Obama's policies are Bush's policies. Obama can't even be considered
an American. He does not believe in the right to a fair trial (he's
proposed Preventative Detention, which Bush didn't dare do) and Obama
doesn't people that some one should not be tortured or abused under
his incarceration. The reason that both the Democrats and the
Republicans are the same is because Capitalism is a system. Shame shit
different pile. "Meet the new boss same as the old boss. We don't get
fooled again." --The Who
Well, I might buy the fact that we don't need another Republican or
Democrat in office. Neither party seems to have any common sense.
Johnny
2009-10-25 08:16:24 UTC
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Post by $Bill
Post by s***@aol.com
We live under an economic and political system called Capitalism.
Obama's policies are Bush's policies. Obama can't even be considered
an American. He does not believe in the right to a fair trial (he's
proposed Preventative Detention, which Bush didn't dare do) and Obama
doesn't people that some one should not be tortured or abused under
his incarceration. The reason that both the Democrats and the
Republicans are the same is because Capitalism is a system. Shame shit
different pile. "Meet the new boss same as the old boss. We don't get
fooled again." --The Who
Well, I might buy the fact that we don't need another Republican or
Democrat in office. Neither party seems to have any common sense.
Yo, $Bill, do you understand that skeptic is a hard-core Maoist
revolutionary? Google "Revolutionary Communist Party USA" or "Bob
Avakian" and you can learn all you need to know about skeptic's politics.
$Bill
2009-10-25 15:30:43 UTC
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Post by Johnny
Yo, $Bill, do you understand that skeptic is a hard-core Maoist
revolutionary? Google "Revolutionary Communist Party USA" or "Bob
Avakian" and you can learn all you need to know about skeptic's politics.
Yeah, I've gotten that from your 'conversations' with him. ;)

But he's not wrong about everything - we do have a bunch of jerks
leading us. Has there been any common sense since 'Common Sense'
came out ? Or at least a few years post WWII ?
bozak
2009-10-30 03:02:51 UTC
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On Oct 24, 5:56 pm, " bozak"
gee, ive only been saying this since i began posting here... :-(
Yeah, I'm sorry, I was still holding out for the Dummocrats. I was
hopeful Barack was gonna straighten them out. Apparently THAT ain't
happenin.
Only the Democrats could take the disaster the GOP is and turn it into
a loss...
if you really look close, the only difference in them is one party has a
bunch of shitbags of all colors, and the other shitbags are pretty much
lilly white or wanna be lilly white assholes who care about nothing
but themselves and the fantasy of being rich so they can be just like
the people they vote for... :-(
Terraholm
2009-10-23 23:15:36 UTC
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Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
This is actually a good thing. Unlike the Democratic Party, conservatives
finally know they are not being represented by their leaders and are leaving
the GOP in droves.
The ones that 'think' they are conservatives are the few left.


I don't like people in the GOP calling themselves a
Post by Chim Chim
conservative and act like a liberal democrat. The fact that people are
leaving the GOP does not mean they stopped being a conservative. It will
evolve into a better party.
The ones you think you like leave and that will make the party better?
That need some 'splaining'


the Democrat party

I will not stoop to your level
Post by Chim Chim
though and demonize mislead people of the Democrat party.
No problem, there is no such thing as the "Democrat Party" You call us
brain washed...
Rove got everyone calling the Democratic Party the democrat party
because it sounds harsh and rhymes with rat.
Certainly you would not stoop to using that trick...
Chim Chim
2009-10-24 00:34:08 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Chim Chim
Post by Terraholm
Anyone else notice how much fox has toned down the rhetoric (outside of
the primetime idiots) in the last week? One of the afternoon panels the
worst right wing talking points spouter instead started arguing that the
GOP was making shit up trying to scare the old people on health care....
This is actually a good thing. Unlike the Democratic Party, conservatives
finally know they are not being represented by their leaders and are
leaving the GOP in droves.
The ones that 'think' they are conservatives are the few left.
I don't like people in the GOP calling themselves a
Post by Chim Chim
conservative and act like a liberal democrat. The fact that people are
leaving the GOP does not mean they stopped being a conservative. It will
evolve into a better party.
The ones you think you like leave and that will make the party better?
That need some 'splaining'
the Democrat party
I will not stoop to your level
Post by Chim Chim
though and demonize mislead people of the Democrat party.
No problem, there is no such thing as the "Democrat Party" You call us
brain washed...
Rove got everyone calling the Democratic Party the democrat party because
it sounds harsh and rhymes with rat.
Certainly you would not stoop to using that trick...
Ok have it your way Rat Comedic :)
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-10-22 18:02:21 UTC
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Post by Chim Chim
What happend to the pound puppy?
To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the
public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any
non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to
review and comment on the White House website for five days
Lobbyists.
No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted
to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to
their prior employer for two years.
Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
Earmark Reform
Bring Troops home in 16 Months
4K College tax credit.
Transparency. This speaks for iteslf
The list goes on and on.
Bottom line. Obama and his administration has a different agenda then the
one he presented to the people who voted for him. Again, Obama is a nice
person with a nice family, but he has surrounded himself with people who do
not represent the majority of the people in THIS country. There is NO WAY he
would have been elected if people who voted for him knew what they know now
about him and his administration.
go tell it on the mountain, brother.

if Americans had a crystal ball whenst going to the polls last November, and
could see the state of the nation on Oct. 22nd, 2009, McCain would have won by
180 electoral votes.

it's simple. the man doesn't know what he's doing. he's the most inexperienced
person ever elected to the office of the presidency of the United States.

GodBuilt
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
b***@hotmail.com
2009-10-22 18:16:48 UTC
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On Oct 22, 2:02 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
if Americans had a crystal ball whenst going to the polls last November, and
could see the state of the nation on Oct. 22nd, 2009, McCain would have won by
180 electoral votes.
Perhaps if McCain had had some sort of plan...and if he had picked
someone with an IQ over 100 to run with him.
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-10-22 19:17:51 UTC
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On Oct 22, 2:02=A0pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
if Americans had a crystal ball whenst going to the polls last November, =
and
could see the state of the nation on Oct. 22nd, 2009, McCain would have w=
on by
180 electoral votes.
Perhaps if McCain had had some sort of plan...
well, even if he had no plan, it would still be better than the plans we've seen
from NewJesus.

plans and ideas that are rejected by most Americans.

a concept this supposedly "smart" man can't seem to understand.
and if he had picked
someone with an IQ over 100 to run with him.
i know the Religion Of Leftism requires a dogmatic believe that anyone who even
mildly disagrees with the dogma is not intelligent, so i understand where you're
coming from.

it's a stupid belief, but i understand where you're coming from.

how Hopey-Changey of me, heh...

and oh yes, the election of Mr. McCain would have certainly assured that the US
would not be in involved in any UN resolution that would suppress the freedom of
speech.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112886

would anyone who feels that THE ONE, NewJesus, the (dear) leader of the
Democratic party is right in pushing this abomination disguised as a UN
resolution?

GodBuilt
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
b***@hotmail.com
2009-10-22 19:25:07 UTC
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On Oct 22, 3:17 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
i know the Religion Of Leftism requires a dogmatic believe that anyone who even
mildly disagrees with the dogma is not intelligent, so i understand where you're
coming from.
So Sarah was just an underappreciated genius, is that what I'm missing
here? Bitch doesn't even know what "Rogue" means, FFS!

Sorry, bro, there's plenty of conservatives who's intellect I
respect...unfortunately, you guys keep rallying around the loudest and
dumbest ones! (Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, et al)
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-10-22 20:27:16 UTC
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On Oct 22, 3:17=A0pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
i know the Religion Of Leftism requires a dogmatic believe that anyone wh=
o even
mildly disagrees with the dogma is not intelligent, so i understand where=
you're
coming from.
So Sarah was just an underappreciated genius, is that what I'm missing
here? Bitch doesn't even know what "Rogue" means, FFS!
"Bitch?" now that's telling. the "bitch" don't know her place, right? heh.

but in truth, she has more executive experience then NewJesus. but hell, i have
more executive experience than NewJesus. even you probably have more executive
experience than NewJesus.
Sorry, bro, there's plenty of conservatives who's intellect I
respect...unfortunately, you guys keep rallying around the loudest and
dumbest ones! (Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, et al)
well, i don't think i'm rallying around anyone, i am just amused how leftist
dogma requires, nay demands, that reality be replaced with a kind of religious
wishful thinking. and you can't question religious dogma.

GodBuilt
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
b***@hotmail.com
2009-10-22 20:49:09 UTC
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On Oct 22, 4:27 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
well, i don't think i'm rallying around anyone, i am just amused how leftist
dogma requires, nay demands, that reality be replaced with a kind of religious
wishful thinking. and you can't question religious dogma.
Kinda like how you guys were all "wishful thinking" away Dubya's
outrageous spending?
Chim Chim
2009-10-22 21:47:39 UTC
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<***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d515d084-c7b0-4243-acd3-***@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 22, 4:27 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
well, i don't think i'm rallying around anyone, i am just amused how leftist
dogma requires, nay demands, that reality be replaced with a kind of religious
wishful thinking. and you can't question religious dogma.
Kinda like how you guys were all "wishful thinking" away Dubya's
outrageous spending?

Come here, let me tell you a secret. Shhhhhh
You are being led to the slaughter house. The only difference is party
affilication.
Now a that a person with a D by their name is elected does that make it pay
back time? Are you going to break all your toys or burn down your house to
reinforce your point about how angry you are with the last guy with a R?
Chim Chim
2009-10-22 21:53:11 UTC
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Fixed :)
Post by Chim Chim
On Oct 22, 4:27 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
well, i don't think i'm rallying around anyone, i am just amused how leftist
dogma requires, nay demands, that reality be replaced with a kind of religious
wishful thinking. and you can't question religious dogma.
Kinda like how you guys were all "wishful thinking" away Dubya's
outrageous spending?
Come here, let me tell you a secret. Shhhhhh
You are being led to the slaughter house. The only difference is party
affiliation.
Now a that a person with a D by their name is elected does that make it
pay back time? Are you going to break all your toys or burn down your
house to reinforce your point about how angry you are with the last guy
with a R?
bozak
2009-10-22 20:51:13 UTC
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On Oct 22, 3:17 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
i know the Religion Of Leftism requires a dogmatic believe that anyone who even
mildly disagrees with the dogma is not intelligent, so i understand where you're
coming from.
So Sarah was just an underappreciated genius, is that what I'm missing
here? Bitch doesn't even know what "Rogue" means, FFS!
Sorry, bro, there's plenty of conservatives who's intellect I
respect...unfortunately, you guys keep rallying around the loudest and
dumbest ones! (Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, et al)
they cant help it, theyre fucking wingnuts...
Johnny
2009-10-23 11:36:18 UTC
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Post by On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
he's the most inexperienced
person ever elected to the office of the presidency of the United States.
GodBuilt
That exaggeration gets a bit of mileage at one time or another as a
Republican talking point, but insofar as it refers to political
experience it is incorrect. I suggest Zachary Taylor, a career army
officer whose first political office was the presidency, for that
dubious distinction.

The presidency was also the first political office of two other
career soldiers, Grant and Eisenhower. Eisenhower had a sort of
political experience of a necessity as the commander of a coalition
during WW II, as the Military Governor of the American Zone in occupied
Germany for 6 months after that war, and as the Supreme Commander of
NATO for 17 months in 1950-52. Grant, like Taylor, had no political
experience, but I go with Taylor as the least experienced because he
didn't even so much as vote before his nomination.

Let this little correction to your assertion remind you of the risk
of being challenged and corrected in the casual use of superlatives or
absolutes, especially when expressing opinion as fact. Imprecision is a
vulnerability in debate.
Wingnut
2009-10-18 21:26:19 UTC
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Post by bozak
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ha7CvIExC9yKPcBtzRHhL0AfFqGAD9BDK1NG3
lol... i love it...
the wingnuts will lose it over this... :-)
Hey! I resemble that remark! Seriously though, it's killing me to have to
tune to Fox to watch the Angels.

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