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ot: I've decided who to cast my vote for.....................
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Viker 44
2004-08-11 04:21:41 UTC
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The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally decided who
to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......

Here's why I come to that conclusion:

1. Pissed off at Little George...... sorry, bushy wushy, but it's way past
time you put your money where your mouth is..... what the hell is going on???
Sadr is now surrounded in a Mosque, we have the green light to snag him, and
the mother fucker is still alive??? Iran and Syria are trying their best to
"carve up" Iraq and we ain't doing shit about it??? Fuck this shit.....
what happened to the war against terror/fanatics??? We need to drop a MOAB
outside the citys of Tehran and Damascus (thus causing me to lose the Branden
Wolner Kaboomer poll of a year ago)...... we need to tell these a-holes to
lay off Iraq or it's Tomahawk time.... this bullshit waiting for the politcal
season to end before doing something is weak and hypocritical.... King George
does not get my vote.....

2. Kerry is a Fairy...... can't even throw a freaking baseball past home
plate.... simply said I don't believe him...... he says free healthcare and
schooling for all and won't raise taxes (cept for peeple making $200,000 or
more, cept he said he would cut taxes for small business owners, cept those are
the very same peeeps making $200,000 or more!!!)...... look, I have no
problem with this dude as Prez cept the gamble is we have a 4 to 8 year period
where the terrorists get to regroup, realign, rebuild, resupply, and
re-monetorize.... I can't accept this gamble..... the wheels have been set
in motion in the middle east for reform and we need hard hitting pressure, even
military if nessasary......... plus with a Repub Senate and House we will see
more fillabustering than ever in US history......... Kerry will be unable to
get any legislation through..

3. I always vote for a third party anyhoo..... I changed my registration from
Libertarian to Independent, thus Nader is a good choice..... I don't agree
with 70% of his policies, but at least he's honest in his convictions, unlike
Kerry or Bush........

4. I'll do it in honor of the extreme libs in this group who entertain me on a
daily basis..... It's the only way I can repay the enjoyment of reading the
conspiracy crazies that bring me so many laughs..... That keeps my record of
trying to get third parties more votes, yet I don't have to worry about Nader
actually winning...... (on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have
squelched Nader being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in
vote... wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???

________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
VicXnews
2004-08-11 04:57:43 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally
decided who to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
1. Pissed off at Little George...... sorry, bushy wushy, but it's
way past time you put your money where your mouth is..... what the
hell is going on???
Sadr is now surrounded in a Mosque, we have the green light to snag him, and
the mother fucker is still alive??? Iran and Syria are trying their
best to "carve up" Iraq and we ain't doing shit about it??? Fuck
this shit..... what happened to the war against terror/fanatics???
We need to drop a MOAB outside the citys of Tehran and Damascus (thus
causing me to lose the Branden Wolner Kaboomer poll of a year
ago)...... we need to tell these a-holes to lay off Iraq or it's
Tomahawk time.... this bullshit waiting for the politcal season to
end before doing something is weak and hypocritical.... King George
does not get my vote.....
2. Kerry is a Fairy...... can't even throw a freaking baseball past
home plate.... simply said I don't believe him...... he says free
healthcare and schooling for all and won't raise taxes (cept for
peeple making $200,000 or more, cept he said he would cut taxes for
small business owners, cept those are the very same peeeps making
$200,000 or more!!!)...... look, I have no problem with this dude as
Prez cept the gamble is we have a 4 to 8 year period where the
terrorists get to regroup, realign, rebuild, resupply, and
re-monetorize.... I can't accept this gamble..... the wheels have
been set in motion in the middle east for reform and we need hard
hitting pressure, even military if nessasary......... plus with a
Repub Senate and House we will see more fillabustering than ever in US
history......... Kerry will be unable to get any legislation
through..
3. I always vote for a third party anyhoo..... I changed my
registration from Libertarian to Independent, thus Nader is a good
choice..... I don't agree with 70% of his policies, but at least
he's honest in his convictions, unlike Kerry or Bush........
4. I'll do it in honor of the extreme libs in this group who
entertain me on a daily basis..... It's the only way I can repay the
enjoyment of reading the conspiracy crazies that bring me so many
laughs..... That keeps my record of trying to get third parties more
votes, yet I don't have to worry about Nader actually winning......
(on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have squelched Nader
being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in vote...
wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
Bush loses another vote...
Everyone who voted for Gore will vote for Kerry
Everyone who voted for Nader will vote for Kerry
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Kerry
and now a new category...
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Nader
--
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that
matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen
somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between
medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my
grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without
benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters'
keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our
individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family.
"E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Barack Obama
-------------
Welfare State is not a dirty word. It simply means that the government
has a concern and responsibility that the standard of living shall not
fall below a certain level. The Democratic Party has been meeting this
responsibility since FDR
Johnny Morgan
D. Gerasimatos
2004-08-11 15:54:01 UTC
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Post by VicXnews
Bush loses another vote...
Everyone who voted for Gore will vote for Kerry
Everyone who voted for Nader will vote for Kerry
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Kerry
and now a new category...
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Nader
I voted for Gore and I am not sure if I will vote for Kerry or not. It
won't matter in California anyway.


Dimitri
VicXnews
2004-08-11 16:55:43 UTC
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Post by D. Gerasimatos
Post by VicXnews
Bush loses another vote...
Everyone who voted for Gore will vote for Kerry
Everyone who voted for Nader will vote for Kerry
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Kerry
and now a new category...
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Nader
I voted for Gore and I am not sure if I will vote for Kerry or not. It
won't matter in California anyway.
Dimitri
Do you think there are many who feel the same way...I don't
and you are right it won't matter in California
--
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that
matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen
somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between
medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my
grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without
benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters'
keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our
individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family.
"E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Barack Obama
---------
Politicians will stretch the truth. They'll exaggerate their
accomplishments, paper over their gaffes. Spin has long been the lingua
franca of the political realm. But George W. Bush and his administration
have taken "normal" mendacity to a startling new level far beyond lies of
convenience. On top of the usual massaging of public perception, they
traffic in big lies, indulge in any number of symptomatic small lies, and,
ultimately, have come to embody dishonesty itself. They are a lie. And
people, finally, have started catching on.
Ron Reagan
Viker 44
2004-08-12 04:46:39 UTC
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Post by D. Gerasimatos
Post by VicXnews
Bush loses another vote...
Everyone who voted for Gore will vote for Kerry
Everyone who voted for Nader will vote for Kerry
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Kerry
and now a new category...
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Nader
I voted for Gore and I am not sure if I will vote for Kerry or not. It
won't matter in California anyway.
Dimitri
Spin the bottle and vote for a 3rd party..... any party...... join the
revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!
VicXnews
2004-08-12 04:53:52 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
Post by D. Gerasimatos
Post by VicXnews
Bush loses another vote...
Everyone who voted for Gore will vote for Kerry
Everyone who voted for Nader will vote for Kerry
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Kerry
and now a new category...
Some people who voted for bush will vote for Nader
I voted for Gore and I am not sure if I will vote for Kerry or not. It
won't matter in California anyway.
Dimitri
Spin the bottle and vote for a 3rd party..... any party...... join
the revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!
By joining the regime change!!!!!
--
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that
matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen
somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between
medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my
grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without
benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters'
keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our
individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family.
"E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Barack Obama
-------------
Welfare State is not a dirty word. It simply means that the government
has a concern and responsibility that the standard of living shall not
fall below a certain level. The Democratic Party has been meeting this
responsibility since FDR
Johnny Morgan
Johnny
2004-08-11 05:06:34 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally decided who
to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. See the 2000 election and
remember the warning of American philosopher George Santayana that
those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

Johnny <Everyone whose net income is less than $200,000 per year, or
works for wages, and votes Republican are voting against their
economic interests.>
VicXnews
2004-08-11 05:11:14 UTC
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Post by Johnny
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally
decided who to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. See the 2000 election and
remember the warning of American philosopher George Santayana that
those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Johnny <Everyone whose net income is less than $200,000 per year, or
works for wages, and votes Republican are voting against their
economic interests.>
I disagree...bush is losing voted like the Titanic was losing
passengers... Now the Nader votes are coming from the bush side.
All we have to worry about now is the Diebold machines
--
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that
matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen
somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between
medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my
grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without
benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters'
keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our
individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family.
"E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Barack Obama
-------------
Welfare State is not a dirty word. It simply means that the government
has a concern and responsibility that the standard of living shall not
fall below a certain level. The Democratic Party has been meeting this
responsibility since FDR
Johnny Morgan
Viker 44
2004-08-11 05:20:37 UTC
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From: Johnny apterix
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally decided
who
Post by Viker 44
to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. See the 2000 election and
remember the warning of American philosopher George Santayana that
those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Johnny <Everyone whose net income is less than $200,000 per year, or
works for wages, and votes Republican are voting against their
economic interests.>
A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... plus it's a vote towards and for
more political parties..... thus a vote against both the Repub and Demo
parties..... we need more choices...... this two party state needs a
reshuffle..... perfect example is what the Dems did here in AZ..... the
party of "every vote counts and freedom to vote your choice" filed a lawsuit
that effectively kept Nader off our ballot...... that's way too much power
and the Dems + Repubs share it...... Vote third party that's a real American
act that YOU can take..........
Terraholm
2004-08-11 14:17:17 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: Johnny apterix
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally
decided who to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. See the 2000 election and
remember the warning of American philosopher George Santayana that
those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Johnny <Everyone whose net income is less than $200,000 per year, or
works for wages, and votes Republican are voting against their
economic interests.>
A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... plus it's a vote towards
and for more political parties..... thus a vote against both the
Repub and Demo parties..... we need more choices...... this two
party state needs a reshuffle..... perfect example is what the Dems
did here in AZ..... the party of "every vote counts and freedom to
vote your choice" filed a lawsuit that effectively kept Nader off our
ballot......
While the republicans are working to get him on ballots. He is a tool....For
the most part a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, ask the republicans...

that's way too much power and the Dems + Repubs share
Post by Viker 44
it...... Vote third party that's a real American act that YOU can
take..........
Sure. And a good dodge for future debates....=)

So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had a chance
to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
Viker 44
2004-08-12 04:59:46 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Johnny
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally
decided who to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. See the 2000 election and
remember the warning of American philosopher George Santayana that
those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Johnny <Everyone whose net income is less than $200,000 per year, or
works for wages, and votes Republican are voting against their
economic interests.>
A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... plus it's a vote towards
and for more political parties..... thus a vote against both the
Repub and Demo parties..... we need more choices...... this two
party state needs a reshuffle..... perfect example is what the Dems
did here in AZ..... the party of "every vote counts and freedom to
vote your choice" filed a lawsuit that effectively kept Nader off our
ballot......
While the republicans are working to get him on ballots. He is a tool....For
the most part a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, ask the republicans...
Wrong. A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... you just love a stifiling
two party system...... I want more choices and more voices...... even
voices that do not agree with me, you see????????????
that's way too much power and the Dems + Repubs share
Post by Viker 44
it...... Vote third party that's a real American act that YOU can
take..........
Sure. And a good dodge for future debates....=)
??? In what way?
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had a chance
to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
More and more people are dropping out of the main two parties..... every year
more and more people become Independent...... the principal here is to vote
for someone outside the power grip........ Nader is choosen actually in honor
of some people in this newsgroup..... now, I'm positive you're voting the
Nader ticket cause if you don't you are exposing yourself as a huge
hypocrite...... finally, we are on the same side of something!!!!
{: ]
Terraholm
2004-08-12 05:35:37 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Johnny
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've
finally decided who to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. See the 2000 election and
remember the warning of American philosopher George Santayana that
those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Johnny <Everyone whose net income is less than $200,000 per year,
or works for wages, and votes Republican are voting against their
economic interests.>
A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... plus it's a vote towards
and for more political parties..... thus a vote against both the
Repub and Demo parties..... we need more choices...... this two
party state needs a reshuffle..... perfect example is what the Dems
did here in AZ..... the party of "every vote counts and freedom to
vote your choice" filed a lawsuit that effectively kept Nader off
our ballot......
While the republicans are working to get him on ballots. He is a
tool....For the most part a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, ask
the republicans...
Wrong. A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... you just love a
stifiling two party system...... I want more choices and more
voices...... even voices that do not agree with me, you
see????????????
lol...well no.
Post by Viker 44
that's way too much power and the Dems + Repubs share
Post by Viker 44
it...... Vote third party that's a real American act that YOU can
take..........
Sure. And a good dodge for future debates....=)
??? In what way?
=)
Post by Viker 44
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had
a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
More and more people are dropping out of the main two parties.....
every year more and more people become Independent......
Got stats? Because I think less people will vote outside of the parties this
time.
Wasting votes will not be a good idea on this one.

the
Post by Viker 44
principal here is to vote for someone outside the power grip........
Nader is choosen actually in honor of some people in this
newsgroup.....
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I can see
in voting for someone you would not want in office, and then calling it a
vote 'for' nader.
Post by Viker 44
now, I'm positive you're voting the Nader ticket
cause if you don't you are exposing yourself as a huge
hypocrite......
I would not vote for nader if he was running unopposed...=)
Can not say I am voting 'for' anyone. I am voting against Bush in a
battleground state.
Post by Viker 44
finally, we are on the same side of something!!!!
{: ]
Almost...
--
Laurel T
"When asked if he was a basketball player:
"No I clean giraffe ears."
Elvin Hayes
Viker 44
2004-08-13 04:12:47 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... plus it's a vote towards
and for more political parties..... thus a vote against both the
Repub and Demo parties..... we need more choices...... this two
party state needs a reshuffle..... perfect example is what the Dems
did here in AZ..... the party of "every vote counts and freedom to
vote your choice" filed a lawsuit that effectively kept Nader off
our ballot......
While the republicans are working to get him on ballots. He is a
tool....For the most part a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, ask
the republicans...
Wrong. A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader..... you just love a
stifiling two party system...... I want more choices and more
voices...... even voices that do not agree with me, you
see????????????
lol...well no.
Eventually you will..... it's inevitable.........
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
that's way too much power and the Dems + Repubs share
Post by Viker 44
it...... Vote third party that's a real American act that YOU can
take..........
Sure. And a good dodge for future debates....=)
??? In what way?
=)
uh huh...........
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had
a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
More and more people are dropping out of the main two parties.....
every year more and more people become Independent......
Got stats? Because I think less people will vote outside of the parties this
time.
Wasting votes will not be a good idea on this one.
Actually for this election this is true..... though there are more political
parties, more independent voters 9/11 and the war on terror have polorized this
election mostly between the two power junkies (Dems Repubs)..... still time
will erode their power bases and different parties will evolve into the power
position..... history shows this to be the way.......
the
Post by Viker 44
principal here is to vote for someone outside the power grip........
Nader is choosen actually in honor of some people in this
newsgroup.....
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I can see
in voting for someone you would not want in office, and then calling it a
vote 'for' nader.
I've addressed that issue..... I'm Independent and not a slave to either the
Demo or Repub party..... I can vote for Nader and when I do it's a vote for
taaadah: Nader........ I realize those on the far left and right struggle
with the conceopt of thinking for one's self.......
Post by Viker 44
now, I'm positive you're voting the Nader ticket
cause if you don't you are exposing yourself as a huge
hypocrite......
I would not vote for nader if he was running unopposed...=)
Can not say I am voting 'for' anyone. I am voting against Bush in a
battleground state.
Post by Viker 44
finally, we are on the same side of something!!!!
{: ]
Almost...
Laurel T
"No I clean giraffe ears."
Elvin Hayes
Vote for Nader and close the deal.... he comes closest to your core political
views anyway..... hell, Kerry voted for the Iraq war and is now saying he
would have gone into Iraq..... the dude flops more than Floppy Divac.........
Terraholm
2004-08-13 13:13:04 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had
a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I
can see in voting for someone you would not want in office, and then
calling it a vote 'for' nader.
I've addressed that issue..... I'm Independent and not a slave to
either the Demo or Repub party.....
The question had nothing to do with voting for either party.
Post by Viker 44
I can vote for Nader and when I
do it's a vote for taaadah: Nader........
Does not answer the question. You are saying you are voting more against the
party system not 'for' Nader. Would you vote for Nader if he was the
democractic candidate?
Again, why not write in a person you would vote for if they could win,
instead of one extremeist as far off your position as posible?
Post by Viker 44
I realize those on
the far left and right struggle with the concept of thinking for
one's self.......
Post by Viker 44
now, I'm positive you're voting the Nader ticket
cause if you don't you are exposing yourself as a huge
hypocrite......
I would not vote for nader if he was running unopposed...=)
Can not say I am voting 'for' anyone. I am voting against Bush in a
battleground state.
Vote for Nader and close the deal.... he comes closest to your core
political views anyway.....
No he does not. If I did not live in a battleground state I might vote for
Kucinich as I did in the primary.
But voting against Bush and not wasting the vote is more important.
Post by Viker 44
hell, Kerry voted for the Iraq war and
is now saying he would have gone into Iraq..... the dude flops more
than Floppy Divac.........
I perfer people who can change their minds to ones that wear blinders....=)
How is that Bush campaign promise about "No Nation Building" going?

Bush said, "I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation-building and the
military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our
military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore,
prevent war from happening in the first place."

After the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Bush met with soldiers
stationed in Afghanistan at the White House and thanked them for their
nation building efforts. A senior administration official said, "The
administration, with its international partners, is doing something akin to
nation-building." The plans for a post war Iraq also included nation
building measures and, according to the Baltimore Sun, "Secretary of State
Colin L. Powell confirmed...that Bush was considering, among other options,
installing a U.S.-led occupation government if Hussein's regime is removed."
[Baltimore Sun, 10/19/02]

U.S. Will Seek U.N. Vote For War With Iraq
Bush: ...yes, we'll call for a vote.
Question: No matter what?
Bush: No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want
to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein
and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet.
It's time for people to show their cards, let the world know where they
stand when it comes to Saddam. [Bush News Conference, 3/6/03, emphasis
added]

Bush Attacked Iraq Without U.N. Vote
Bush "failed to win explicit [security] council approval for the use of
force" in Iraq. Two days before bombs began to fall in Iraq, the Bush
administration withdrew its resolution from the UN Security Council that
would have authorized military force. Bush abandoned his call for a vote
after it became clear that the US could muster only four votes in support of
force. [Washington Post, 3/21/03; Los Angeles Times, 3/18/03]
--
Laurel T
"If a nuclear bomb dropped on earth,
two things would survive: roaches and David Falk."
Kevin McHale
bozak
2004-08-13 14:06:28 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Terraholm
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had
a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I
can see in voting for someone you would not want in office, and then
calling it a vote 'for' nader.
I've addressed that issue..... I'm Independent and not a slave to
either the Demo or Repub party.....
The question had nothing to do with voting for either party.
viker is the most disingenuous asshole to ever hit this ng...

talking about flipflopping... he doesnt have enough pride to just
flipflop... he looks for alterior motives of stooooooooopidity to
keep himself on the right track...

im just amazed at the people who still even give the can of shit
a break...
bozak
2004-08-13 14:07:37 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Terraholm
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had
a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I
can see in voting for someone you would not want in office, and then
calling it a vote 'for' nader.
I've addressed that issue..... I'm Independent and not a slave to
either the Demo or Repub party.....
The question had nothing to do with voting for either party.
viker is the most disingenuous asshole to ever hit this ng...
talking about flipflopping... he doesnt have enough pride to just
flipflop... he looks for alterior motives of stooooooooopidity to
keep himself on the right track...
im just amazed at the people who still even give the can of shit
a break...
ps... im bozak and i approved this so righteously deserved personal attack...
Viker 44
2004-08-14 07:41:51 UTC
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From: " bozak"
Post by Terraholm
The question had nothing to do with voting for either party.
viker is the most disingenuous asshole to ever hit this ng...
talking about flipflopping... he doesnt have enough pride to just
flipflop... he looks for alterior motives of stooooooooopidity to
keep himself on the right track...
im just amazed at the people who still even give the can of shit
a break...
Old and tired whining from an old and tired man who can't bring it.... pity
the shitty.......
Viker 44
2004-08-14 07:40:49 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they had
a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I
can see in voting for someone you would not want in office, and then
calling it a vote 'for' nader.
I've addressed that issue..... I'm Independent and not a slave to
either the Demo or Repub party.....
The question had nothing to do with voting for either party.
Post by Viker 44
I can vote for Nader and when I
do it's a vote for taaadah: Nader........
Does not answer the question. You are saying you are voting more against the
party system not 'for' Nader. Would you vote for Nader if he was the
democractic candidate?
Again, why not write in a person you would vote for if they could win,
instead of one extremeist as far off your position as posible?
I've already answered this question twice..... I said I'm voting for Nader in
honor of the far lefties in this group.... they entertain me and it's my small
way of thanking them...... plus it keeps intact my track record of voting for
third party candidates.....
Post by Viker 44
I realize those on
the far left and right struggle with the concept of thinking for
one's self.......
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
now, I'm positive you're voting the Nader ticket
cause if you don't you are exposing yourself as a huge
hypocrite......
I would not vote for nader if he was running unopposed...=)
Can not say I am voting 'for' anyone. I am voting against Bush in a
battleground state.
Vote for Nader and close the deal.... he comes closest to your core
political views anyway.....
No he does not. If I did not live in a battleground state I might vote for
Kucinich as I did in the primary.
But voting against Bush and not wasting the vote is more important.
Voting for Nader is voting against Bush..... Voting for Bush is what you
really should avoid if you dislike him as much as you say..... battleground
state or not, you owe it to yourself and your country to vote your true
convictions...... Kucinch is pretty dern close to Nader politically.........
Post by Viker 44
hell, Kerry voted for the Iraq war and
is now saying he would have gone into Iraq..... the dude flops more
than Floppy Divac.........
I perfer people who can change their minds to ones that wear blinders....=)
How is that Bush campaign promise about "No Nation Building" going?
Bush said, "I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation-building and the
military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our
military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore,
prevent war from happening in the first place."
After the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Bush met with soldiers
stationed in Afghanistan at the White House and thanked them for their
nation building efforts. A senior administration official said, "The
administration, with its international partners, is doing something akin to
nation-building." The plans for a post war Iraq also included nation
building measures and, according to the Baltimore Sun, "Secretary of State
Colin L. Powell confirmed...that Bush was considering, among other options,
installing a U.S.-led occupation government if Hussein's regime is removed."
[Baltimore Sun, 10/19/02]
Ironic you say you prefer "people who can change their minds to ones that wear
blinders" yet right below you blast Bush for changing his mind about Nation
Building...... besides, I've yet to meet a far true blue left winger or right
winger than has ever changed their mind about any political subject...... so
I guess you don't "prefer" yourself...........
U.S. Will Seek U.N. Vote For War With Iraq
Bush: ...yes, we'll call for a vote.
Question: No matter what?
Bush: No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want
to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein
and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet.
It's time for people to show their cards, let the world know where they
stand when it comes to Saddam. [Bush News Conference, 3/6/03, emphasis
added]
Bush Attacked Iraq Without U.N. Vote
Bush "failed to win explicit [security] council approval for the use of
force" in Iraq. Two days before bombs began to fall in Iraq, the Bush
administration withdrew its resolution from the UN Security Council that
would have authorized military force. Bush abandoned his call for a vote
after it became clear that the US could muster only four votes in support of
force. [Washington Post, 3/21/03; Los Angeles Times, 3/18/03]
--
Laurel T
"If a nuclear bomb dropped on earth,
two things would survive: roaches and David Falk."
Kevin McHale
Bush "changes his mind" and legitimately since the UN is a pile of dung (just
ask all the survivors in Sudan currently) and again you blast him..... here's
your quote again: >I perfer people who can change their minds to ones that
wear blinders....=) ironic indeed...... and bad timing to
boot..........
Terraholm
2004-08-14 13:46:51 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Terraholm
So why not write in someone you would actually vote for if they
had a chance to win instead of an extremist you would run from?
Does not address the question above. There is no valid principal I
can see in voting for someone you would not want in office, and
then calling it a vote 'for' nader.
I've addressed that issue..... I'm Independent and not a slave to
either the Demo or Repub party.....
The question had nothing to do with voting for either party.
Post by Viker 44
I can vote for Nader and when I
do it's a vote for taaadah: Nader........
Does not answer the question. You are saying you are voting more
against the party system not 'for' Nader. Would you vote for Nader
if he was the democractic candidate?
Again, why not write in a person you would vote for if they could
win, instead of one extremeist as far off your position as posible?
I've already answered this question twice..... I said I'm voting
for Nader in honor of the far lefties in this group.... they
entertain me and it's my small way of thanking them...... plus it
keeps intact my track record of voting for third party candidates.....
I can think of no reason worse for then claiming you are voting 'for' Nader.
Post by Viker 44
No he does not. If I did not live in a battleground state I might
vote for Kucinich as I did in the primary.
But voting against Bush and not wasting the vote is more important.
Voting for Nader is voting against Bush.....
Not if he takes away enough votes from Kerry that Bush wins the state.
Bush would not be in office now if that was not true.
Post by Viker 44
Voting for Bush is
what you really should avoid if you dislike him as much as you
say..... battleground state or not, you owe it to yourself and your
country to vote your true convictions......
I wou;ld vote for Kerry over nader if bush was not running...
Post by Viker 44
Kucinch is pretty dern
close to Nader politically.........
Closer than Kerry...but it does not mean I should slide to the far extreme
not away from it.
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
hell, Kerry voted for the Iraq war and
is now saying he would have gone into Iraq..... the dude flops
more than Floppy Divac.........
Ironic you say you prefer "people who can change their minds to ones
that wear blinders" yet right below you blast Bush for changing his
mind about Nation Building......
Irony is often Ironic..... =)
Post by Viker 44
besides, I've yet to meet a far
true blue left winger or right winger than has ever changed their
mind about any political subject......
Exactly...yet you throw out the republican hype on Kerry...

But there is a difference between changing their mind and lying to hide a
hidden agenda.
--
Laurel T
"How should we Democrats select the next presidential nominee?
Smoke filled rooms? Brokered convention? National primary?
Personally, I prefer jump shots from the top of the key."
--Bill Bradley
Viker 44
2004-08-15 20:27:04 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Does not answer the question. You are saying you are voting more
against the party system not 'for' Nader. Would you vote for Nader
if he was the democractic candidate?
Again, why not write in a person you would vote for if they could
win, instead of one extremeist as far off your position as posible?
I've already answered this question twice..... I said I'm voting
for Nader in honor of the far lefties in this group.... they
entertain me and it's my small way of thanking them...... plus it
keeps intact my track record of voting for third party candidates.....
I can think of no reason worse for then claiming you are voting 'for' Nader.
Cool by me.... your entitled to your opine about my reasons.... I suppose
more independents and third parties would prove a threat your beloved
Democratic party (and the Republican party as well).... it'll take time, but
change in the two party power broked system is coming......
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
No he does not. If I did not live in a battleground state I might
vote for Kucinich as I did in the primary.
But voting against Bush and not wasting the vote is more important.
Voting for Nader is voting against Bush.....
Not if he takes away enough votes from Kerry that Bush wins the state.
Bush would not be in office now if that was not true.
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent..... that is more
choices for Americans..... no problem, I'm used to it...... you support the
cabal that is the Dem/Repub system in place..... I want more choices and more
voices......
Post by Viker 44
Voting for Bush is
what you really should avoid if you dislike him as much as you
say..... battleground state or not, you owe it to yourself and your
country to vote your true convictions......
I wou;ld vote for Kerry over nader if bush was not running...
lol.... and you try to chastise me for not voting my beliefs...... too
funny.......
Post by Viker 44
Kucinch is pretty dern
close to Nader politically.........
Closer than Kerry...but it does not mean I should slide to the far extreme
not away from it.
Earth to Laurel..... Earth to Laurel..... Kucinch IS far extreme.... as is
Howard Dean..... as is Ralph Nader..... Kerry is close, but not quite as far
out as them..... he's already stated he would have invaded Iraq and voted the
same way he did even knowing what he knows now..... he's already affirmed
we'll stay in Iraq until the job is done...... Kucinch, Dean, and Nader don't
share those views..........
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
hell, Kerry voted for the Iraq war and
is now saying he would have gone into Iraq..... the dude flops
more than Floppy Divac.........
Ironic you say you prefer "people who can change their minds to ones
that wear blinders" yet right below you blast Bush for changing his
mind about Nation Building......
Irony is often Ironic..... =)
Post by Viker 44
besides, I've yet to meet a far
true blue left winger or right winger than has ever changed their
mind about any political subject......
Exactly...yet you throw out the republican hype on Kerry...
I've only stated those things Kerry himself has said....
But there is a difference between changing their mind and lying to hide a
hidden agenda.
Laurel T
lol..... it's so "hidden" I read, see, and hear about it on a daily basis on
newsprint/internet, tube, and radio on a daily basis..... gotta love the
paranoids.........
Terraholm
2004-08-17 03:56:26 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not vote for
if he might win.
That says a lot all right....

that
Post by Viker 44
is more choices for Americans..... no problem, I'm used to it......
you support the cabal that is the Dem/Repub system in place..... I
want more choices and more voices......
Post by Viker 44
Voting for Bush is
what you really should avoid if you dislike him as much as you
say..... battleground state or not, you owe it to yourself and
your country to vote your true convictions......
I wou;ld vote for Kerry over nader if bush was not running...
lol.... and you try to chastise me for not voting my beliefs......
too funny.......
Post by Viker 44
Kucinch is pretty dern
close to Nader politically.........
Closer than Kerry...but it does not mean I should slide to the far
extreme not away from it.
Earth to Laurel..... Earth to Laurel..... Kucinch IS far
extreme....
Yes, but he is my kind of extreme...=)
--
Laurel T
"How should we Democrats select the next presidential nominee?
Smoke filled rooms? Brokered convention? National primary?
Personally, I prefer jump shots from the top of the key."
--Bill Bradley
Viker 44
2004-08-18 04:24:09 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not vote for
if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and I'm not sure
why you cannot grasp it....
that
Post by Viker 44
is more choices for Americans..... no problem, I'm used to it......
you support the cabal that is the Dem/Repub system in place..... I
want more choices and more voices......
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Voting for Bush is
what you really should avoid if you dislike him as much as you
say..... battleground state or not, you owe it to yourself and
your country to vote your true convictions......
I wou;ld vote for Kerry over nader if bush was not running...
lol.... and you try to chastise me for not voting my beliefs......
too funny.......
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Kucinch is pretty dern
close to Nader politically.........
Closer than Kerry...but it does not mean I should slide to the far
extreme not away from it.
Earth to Laurel..... Earth to Laurel..... Kucinch IS far
extreme....
Yes, but he is my kind of extreme...=)
Fair enough.........
Laurel T
"How should we Democrats select the next presidential nominee?
Smoke filled rooms? Brokered convention? National primary?
Personally, I prefer jump shots from the top of the key."
--Bill Bradley
How about a baseball pitching duel???
Terraholm
2004-08-18 07:03:46 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not
vote for if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not want for
president, an extremist you would never vote for if he might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like to see in
the office?
Post by Viker 44
I'm not sure why you cannot grasp it....
I am not sure why you do not see how ridiculous it sounds to call it any
sort of serious statement of " we" independent's views.
This election is not a joke....
Post by Viker 44
that
Post by Viker 44
is more choices for Americans..... no problem, I'm used to it......
you support the cabal that is the Dem/Repub system in place..... I
want more choices and more voices......
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Voting for Bush is
what you really should avoid if you dislike him as much as you
say..... battleground state or not, you owe it to yourself and
your country to vote your true convictions......
I wou;ld vote for Kerry over nader if bush was not running...
lol.... and you try to chastise me for not voting my beliefs......
too funny.......
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Kucinch is pretty dern
close to Nader politically.........
Closer than Kerry...but it does not mean I should slide to the far
extreme not away from it.
Earth to Laurel..... Earth to Laurel..... Kucinch IS far
extreme....
Yes, but he is my kind of extreme...=)
Fair enough.........
Laurel T
"How should we Democrats select the next presidential nominee?
Smoke filled rooms? Brokered convention? National primary?
Personally, I prefer jump shots from the top of the key."
--Bill Bradley
How about a baseball pitching duel???
How about a hockey game?
--
Laurel T
It's what you learn after you know it all
that's important.
- Famous Horse Trainer Jimmy Williams
Viker 44
2004-08-19 04:14:18 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not
vote for if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not want for
president, an extremist you would never vote for if he might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like to see in
the office?
A third party vote is a third party vote since none of them have any chance of
winning with the Dem/Repub cabal firmly in place.... As I said the Nader vote
is in honor of those toiling daily in here trying to promote a doomed extreme
left wing agenda..... it is a sincere nod to them..... they may be misguided
or dogmatic, but I believe most of them are sincere about their political
beliefs........
Post by Viker 44
I'm not sure why you cannot grasp it....
I am not sure why you do not see how ridiculous it sounds to call it any
sort of serious statement of " we" independent's views.
This election is not a joke....
This election is not about change either........
Terraholm
2004-08-19 20:22:33 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not
vote for if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not
want for president, an extremist you would never vote for if he
might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like
to see in the office?
A third party vote is a third party vote since none of them have any
chance of winning with the Dem/Repub cabal firmly in place....
Then say you are voting 'against' the 2 party system. Surely you are not
voting for nader...
Post by Viker 44
As I
said the Nader vote is in honor of those toiling daily in here trying
to promote a doomed extreme left wing agenda..... it is a sincere
nod to them.....
Then do not think your vote speeks to the idea of a viable 3rd party.
It is not a sincere anything past trolling...
Post by Viker 44
they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
And just how many would vote for nader?
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
I'm not sure why you cannot grasp it....
I am not sure why you do not see how ridiculous it sounds to call it
any sort of serious statement of " we" independent's views.
This election is not a joke....
This election is not about change either........
Oh it most certainly is....may not be the change you want but it will most
diffently be a change to get BushCo out of there...
--
Laurel T
The United States of America have exhibited,
perhaps, the first example of governments
erected on the simple principles of nature....
[In] the formation of the American governments ...
it will never be pretended that any persons employed
in that service had interviews with the gods,
or were in any degree under the influence of heaven....
These governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
-- John Adams
VicXnews
2004-08-19 20:51:13 UTC
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Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not
vote for if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not
want for president, an extremist you would never vote for if he
might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like
to see in the office?
A third party vote is a third party vote since none of them have any
chance of winning with the Dem/Repub cabal firmly in place....
Then say you are voting 'against' the 2 party system. Surely you are not
voting for nader...
Post by Viker 44
As I
said the Nader vote is in honor of those toiling daily in here trying
to promote a doomed extreme left wing agenda..... it is a sincere
nod to them.....
Then do not think your vote speeks to the idea of a viable 3rd party.
It is not a sincere anything past trolling...
Post by Viker 44
they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
And just how many would vote for nader?
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
I'm not sure why you cannot grasp it....
I am not sure why you do not see how ridiculous it sounds to call it
any sort of serious statement of " we" independent's views.
This election is not a joke....
This election is not about change either........
Oh it most certainly is....may not be the change you want but it will most
diffently be a change to get BushCo out of there...
It's funny that he says he is voting for a third party....if it were true
there is an alternate candidate that more fits his view...but if he doesn't
know who he is...I sure won't tell him...HINT...he is running ahead of
Nader in Nevada with 3% of the vote
--
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that
matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen
somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between
medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my
grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without
benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters'
keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our
individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family.
"E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Barack Obama
---------
Politicians will stretch the truth. They'll exaggerate their
accomplishments, paper over their gaffes. Spin has long been the lingua
franca of the political realm. But George W. Bush and his administration
have taken "normal" mendacity to a startling new level far beyond lies of
convenience. On top of the usual massaging of public perception, they
traffic in big lies, indulge in any number of symptomatic small lies, and,
ultimately, have come to embody dishonesty itself. They are a lie. And
people, finally, have started catching on.
Ron Reagan
Viker 44
2004-08-20 02:55:48 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not
want for president, an extremist you would never vote for if he
might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like
to see in the office?
A third party vote is a third party vote since none of them have any
chance of winning with the Dem/Repub cabal firmly in place....
Then say you are voting 'against' the 2 party system. Surely you are not
voting for nader...
I've said that several times in this thread..... and it's also a vote for
Nader, since I am punching his ticket.......
Post by Viker 44
As I
said the Nader vote is in honor of those toiling daily in here trying
to promote a doomed extreme left wing agenda..... it is a sincere
nod to them.....
Then do not think your vote speeks to the idea of a viable 3rd party.
It is not a sincere anything past trolling...
There are no viable 3rd parties.... and this year we'll probably take
backward steps away from that eventuallity..... that doesn't mean we should
quit if that's what we eventually want to happen......
Post by Viker 44
they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
And just how many would vote for nader?
I'm not sure..... maybe we should run a poll in here.... we already know
you're not..........
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
I'm not sure why you cannot grasp it....
I am not sure why you do not see how ridiculous it sounds to call it
any sort of serious statement of " we" independent's views.
This election is not a joke....
This election is not about change either........
Oh it most certainly is....may not be the change you want but it will most
diffently be a change to get BushCo out of there...
Laurel T
Won't change much more than the main man's name..... Kerry will have to
battle a Repub Senate and Congress.... I'm not sure how any of his legislation
will get through..... you think the Dems were expert fillabusters??? Just
wait till Kerry comes in..... also he will stay the course in Iraq.....
thus nothing changes....... and FYI I will fully and completely support Kerry
from day one and wish him the best success cause that is what will be good for
this country..... when he does good, I'll give him credit....... when he
stumbles, I'll point that out as well..... on your end everything he does is
gold (bad joke deleted here)..................
Terraholm
2004-08-20 04:45:05 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
And just how many would vote for nader?
I'm not sure..... maybe we should run a poll in here.... we
already know you're not..........
Won't change much more than the main man's name..... Kerry will
have to battle a Repub Senate and Congress....
Since you do not care between them...vote for Kerry for all us asbnll
liberals. Dare ya...
--
Laurel T
"Elections require some consensus about the rules
of the game," "They only work if the parties that lose
are willing to accept defeat."
Marina Ottaway
Viker 44
2004-08-21 02:50:04 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
And just how many would vote for nader?
I'm not sure..... maybe we should run a poll in here.... we
already know you're not..........
Won't change much more than the main man's name..... Kerry will
have to battle a Repub Senate and Congress....
Since you do not care between them...vote for Kerry for all us asbnll
liberals. Dare ya...
Laurel T
"Elections require some consensus about the rules
of the game," "They only work if the parties that lose
are willing to accept defeat."
Marina Ottaway
It's not that I don't care between them, I just said it won't make "that" much
of a change if Kerry gets elected (and if he is I'd wish him success in the
office)..... currently my first choice is a third party vote..... but if I
were forced to pick between W and K, K loses..... and voting for K would not
be for the asbnll liberals, since the majority of them are far closer to the
Nader agenda....... but nice try....
Terraholm
2004-08-21 03:24:17 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
And just how many would vote for nader?
I'm not sure..... maybe we should run a poll in here.... we
already know you're not..........
Won't change much more than the main man's name..... Kerry will
have to battle a Repub Senate and Congress....
Since you do not care between them...vote for Kerry for all us asbnll
liberals. Dare ya...
Laurel T
"Elections require some consensus about the rules
of the game," "They only work if the parties that lose
are willing to accept defeat."
Marina Ottaway
It's not that I don't care between them, I just said it won't make
"that" much of a change if Kerry gets elected (and if he is I'd wish
him success in the office)..... currently my first choice is a
third party vote..... but if I were forced to pick between W and K,
K loses.....
Seems to me you would like to balance the power without one party controling
congress and the white house. Since between talking about how independant
and moderate , and I think you truly believe yourself on that, you spout
right wing talking points constantly and argue the republican side of every
issue. Might want to be honest enough to yourself to admit you are right
wing....
Post by Viker 44
and voting for K would not be for the asbnll liberals,
since the majority of them are far closer to the Nader agenda.......
No they are not.
Post by Viker 44
but nice try....
So go ahead, use your vote as a joke. Just do not expect us to think that it
is a serious political statement.
--
Laurel T
"When asked if he was a basketball player:
"No I clean giraffe ears."
Elvin Hayes
Viker 44
2004-08-24 04:19:44 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Terraholm
And just how many would vote for nader?
I'm not sure..... maybe we should run a poll in here.... we
already know you're not..........
Won't change much more than the main man's name..... Kerry will
have to battle a Repub Senate and Congress....
Since you do not care between them...vote for Kerry for all us asbnll
liberals. Dare ya...
Laurel T
It's not that I don't care between them, I just said it won't make
"that" much of a change if Kerry gets elected (and if he is I'd wish
him success in the office)..... currently my first choice is a
third party vote..... but if I were forced to pick between W and K,
K loses.....
Seems to me you would like to balance the power without one party controling
congress and the white house. Since between talking about how independant
and moderate , and I think you truly believe yourself on that, you spout
right wing talking points constantly and argue the republican side of every
issue. Might want to be honest enough to yourself to admit you are right
wing....
I suppose you were not around here during the NBA lockout..... I argued
against the impeachment of Clinton and blasted Ken "peek in your pants" Starr
regularly..... when the ultra right came in here with the "Vince Foster and
46 others murdered by Clinton" I argued strongly against that..... I oppose
Bush on stem cell research, was against him selecting Ashcroft, wanted Cheney's
interviews with oil execs released.... I'm not on the conservative side when
it comes to welfare, food stamps, funding education, and a multitude of other
social services liberals support...... I've blasted people such as Rush
Limpbrain, Bob Barr, Tom Delay, Helms, Sean Hannity, etc and other racist
muckrakers from the right...... so, your statement "argue the republican
side of every issue" is way off base........
Post by Viker 44
and voting for K would not be for the asbnll liberals,
since the majority of them are far closer to the Nader agenda.......
No they are not.
We must be reading different newsgroups.........
Post by Viker 44
but nice try....
So go ahead, use your vote as a joke. Just do not expect us to think that it
is a serious political statement.
Laurel T
I don't expect you to understand..... liberals and conservatives share the
same confusion about moderates...... and name calling is easy when the
reality conflicts with their "truth"..... I guess the analogy would be if
you were Christian and I an agnostic (which I am).... I could say there may
be a God, but I cannot prove it either way..... you, as a Christian could not
and would not understand it..... you're too devoted to your religion.....
the thing is you aren't a Christian, but you are just as devoted to the
philosophy of "Liberalism" as a hard core Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddist/Etc.
would be to their religion..... It's cool, I'm used to liberals and
conservatives telling me to "make up my mind" and "choose a side".......
problem is, I have..... and that is to take each issue on an individual basis
with no regard as to what liberals or conservatives "think" about that
issue.......
Terraholm
2004-08-24 06:53:47 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Terraholm
And just how many would vote for nader?
I'm not sure..... maybe we should run a poll in here.... we
already know you're not..........
Won't change much more than the main man's name..... Kerry will
have to battle a Repub Senate and Congress....
Since you do not care between them...vote for Kerry for all us
asbnll liberals. Dare ya...
Laurel T
It's not that I don't care between them, I just said it won't make
"that" much of a change if Kerry gets elected (and if he is I'd wish
him success in the office)..... currently my first choice is a
third party vote..... but if I were forced to pick between W and
K, K loses.....
Seems to me you would like to balance the power without one party
controling congress and the white house. Since between talking about
how independant and moderate , and I think you truly believe
yourself on that, you spout right wing talking points constantly and
argue the republican side of every issue. Might want to be honest
enough to yourself to admit you are right wing....
I suppose you were not around here during the NBA lockout..... I
argued against the impeachment of Clinton and blasted Ken "peek in
your pants" Starr regularly..... when the ultra right came in here
with the "Vince Foster and 46 others murdered by Clinton" I argued
strongly against that..... I oppose Bush on stem cell research, was
against him selecting Ashcroft, wanted Cheney's interviews with oil
execs released.... I'm not on the conservative side when it comes
to welfare, food stamps, funding education, and a multitude of other
social services liberals support......
And I am for the death penalty, some limits on abortion rights, against big
government in areas they do not belong, for states rights...yadda yadda...
does not make me a moderate overall.

I've blasted people such as
Post by Viker 44
Rush Limpbrain, Bob Barr, Tom Delay, Helms, Sean Hannity, etc and
other racist muckrakers from the right...... so, your statement
"argue the republican side of every issue" is way off base........
Lately you have...
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
and voting for K would not be for the asbnll liberals,
since the majority of them are far closer to the Nader agenda.......
No they are not.
We must be reading different newsgroups.........
Post by Viker 44
but nice try....
So go ahead, use your vote as a joke. Just do not expect us to think
that it is a serious political statement.
Laurel T
I don't expect you to understand..... liberals and conservatives
share the same confusion about moderates...... and name calling is
easy when the reality conflicts with their "truth".....
I have news for you right left, liberal conservitive is not name calling in
my book. You are pretty far right of moderate generally, as I am pretty far
left of the middle.

I guess
Post by Viker 44
the analogy would be if you were Christian and I an agnostic (which I
am).... I could say there may be a God, but I cannot prove it
either way..... you, as a Christian could not and would not
understand it.....
So I am too stupid to understand a POV? =)
--
Laurel T
Man is the Religious Animal.
He is the only Religious Animal.
He is the only animal that has the
True Religion--several of them."
- Mark Twain
Viker 44
2004-08-25 04:24:26 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Seems to me you would like to balance the power without one party
controling congress and the white house. Since between talking about
how independant and moderate , and I think you truly believe
yourself on that, you spout right wing talking points constantly and
argue the republican side of every issue. Might want to be honest
enough to yourself to admit you are right wing....
I suppose you were not around here during the NBA lockout..... I
argued against the impeachment of Clinton and blasted Ken "peek in
your pants" Starr regularly..... when the ultra right came in here
with the "Vince Foster and 46 others murdered by Clinton" I argued
strongly against that..... I oppose Bush on stem cell research, was
against him selecting Ashcroft, wanted Cheney's interviews with oil
execs released.... I'm not on the conservative side when it comes
to welfare, food stamps, funding education, and a multitude of other
social services liberals support......
And I am for the death penalty, some limits on abortion rights, against big
government in areas they do not belong, for states rights...yadda yadda...
does not make me a moderate overall.
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as even they
think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal" ledger: firmly in favor of
Affrimative Action, against the Swift Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as
negative smears usually do), and I called conservative Alan Keyes a
hypocrite.... bottom line is I've done tallys in the past and am
approximately 60% conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me
conservative in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing more.......
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly on the
conservative side or an independent thinker.......
I've blasted people such as
Post by Viker 44
Rush Limpbrain, Bob Barr, Tom Delay, Helms, Sean Hannity, etc and
other racist muckrakers from the right...... so, your statement
"argue the republican side of every issue" is way off base........
Lately you have...
The group is chock full of far left wingers on the issues I happen to disagree
with them most of the time..... if the reverse were true I'd be labeled a
bleeding heart (as I have in the past)....... I've kicked racists asses in
the various newsgroups I've participated in for years.......
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
and voting for K would not be for the asbnll liberals,
since the majority of them are far closer to the Nader agenda.......
No they are not.
We must be reading different newsgroups.........
Post by Viker 44
but nice try....
So go ahead, use your vote as a joke. Just do not expect us to think
that it is a serious political statement.
Laurel T
I don't expect you to understand..... liberals and conservatives
share the same confusion about moderates...... and name calling is
easy when the reality conflicts with their "truth".....
I have news for you right left, liberal conservitive is not name calling in
my book. You are pretty far right of moderate generally, as I am pretty far
left of the middle.
The "name calling" you do is generally milder than others in here and no biggie
(I can dish it out and take it), but it does happen..... the name calling I
refer to here is really just your attitude that my vote is a "joke"..... if
you think so, fine...... but I've always voted third party and I've always
called for other voices and choices...... been solidly consistent on those
themes because that's what I really believe........
I guess
Post by Viker 44
the analogy would be if you were Christian and I an agnostic (which I
am).... I could say there may be a God, but I cannot prove it
either way..... you, as a Christian could not and would not
understand it.....
So I am too stupid to understand a POV? =)
Laurel T
After this thread, I hope not.........
Alson Wong
2004-08-25 05:29:11 UTC
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Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as even they
think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal" ledger: firmly in favor of
Affrimative Action, against the Swift Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as
negative smears usually do), and I called conservative Alan Keyes a
hypocrite.... bottom line is I've done tallys in the past and am
approximately 60% conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me
conservative in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing more.......
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly on the
conservative side or an independent thinker.......
Test yourself here:
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html

I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
Johnny
2004-08-25 05:42:34 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as even
they
Post by Viker 44
think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal" ledger: firmly in
favor of
Post by Viker 44
Affrimative Action, against the Swift Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as
negative smears usually do), and I called conservative Alan Keyes a
hypocrite.... bottom line is I've done tallys in the past and am
approximately 60% conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me
conservative in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing
more.......
Post by Viker 44
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly on
the
Post by Viker 44
conservative side or an independent thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
Like many polls, too many glittering generalities, appeals to
prejudices, and polarization of positions.

Johnny <needed to be able to choose more than one answer in nearly
every category to be accurate and intellectually honest.>
$Bill
2004-08-25 07:39:02 UTC
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Post by Alson Wong
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
21 - to Colin's right. Didn't like the yes/no aspects of a lot of the
Qs. No room for a gray response.
Jeff Mayner
2004-08-26 07:52:33 UTC
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Post by $Bill
Post by Alson Wong
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
21 - to Colin's right. Didn't like the yes/no aspects of a lot of the
Qs. No room for a gray response.
Isn't that the point?

Jeff
$Bill
2004-08-26 08:47:54 UTC
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Post by $Bill
Post by Alson Wong
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
21 - to Colin's right. Didn't like the yes/no aspects of a lot of the
Qs. No room for a gray response.
Isn't that the point?
I wouldn't think so. It would be better to have multiple choices
to get a finer resolution on which side of an issue you are on.
That would lead to less ambiguity in the final total.
Viker 44
2004-08-26 04:18:36 UTC
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From: "Alson Wong"
Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as even
they
Post by Viker 44
think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal" ledger: firmly in
favor of
Post by Viker 44
Affrimative Action, against the Swift Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as
negative smears usually do), and I called conservative Alan Keyes a
hypocrite.... bottom line is I've done tallys in the past and am
approximately 60% conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me
conservative in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing
more.......
Post by Viker 44
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly on
the
Post by Viker 44
conservative side or an independent thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
Well this'll be a shocker...... I scored 19..... just to the left of
Powell...... I had a few issues with the wording of some of the questions, but
not a bad survey overall......... very interesting indeed.........
Cyclonejane
2004-08-26 04:36:03 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Alson Wong"
Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as even
they
Post by Viker 44
think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal" ledger: firmly in
favor of
Post by Viker 44
Affrimative Action, against the Swift Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as
negative smears usually do), and I called conservative Alan Keyes a
hypocrite.... bottom line is I've done tallys in the past and am
approximately 60% conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me
conservative in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing
more.......
Post by Viker 44
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly on
the
Post by Viker 44
conservative side or an independent thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
Well this'll be a shocker...... I scored 19..... just to the left of
Powell...... I had a few issues with the wording of some of the questions, but
not a bad survey overall......... very interesting indeed.........
It is interesting, and I had big problems with the wording of at least three
of the questions. I landed right on top of Colin (a 20), although I voted
for Bill Clinton twice.

Janie
Viker 44
2004-08-26 04:51:19 UTC
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From: "Cyclonejane"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as
even
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
they
Post by Viker 44
think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal" ledger: firmly in
favor of
Post by Viker 44
Affrimative Action, against the Swift Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush
as
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
negative smears usually do), and I called conservative Alan Keyes a
hypocrite.... bottom line is I've done tallys in the past and am
approximately 60% conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me
conservative in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing
more.......
Post by Viker 44
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly
on
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
the
Post by Viker 44
conservative side or an independent thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin
Powell.
Post by Viker 44
Well this'll be a shocker...... I scored 19..... just to the left of
Powell...... I had a few issues with the wording of some of the
questions, but
Post by Viker 44
not a bad survey overall......... very interesting indeed.........
It is interesting, and I had big problems with the wording of at least three
of the questions. I landed right on top of Colin (a 20), although I voted
for Bill Clinton twice.
Janie
I went through the whole thing to recheck my answers and was as honest as the
survey allows..... still 19..... who woulda thunk it.....

__________
Viker the Left Wing Zealot........
$Bill
2004-08-26 08:48:58 UTC
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It is interesting, and I had big problems with the wording of at least three
of the questions. I landed right on top of Colin (a 20), although I voted
for Bill Clinton twice.
Me too and I had a 21.
Terraholm
2004-08-26 14:28:14 UTC
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Post by Cyclonejane
Post by Viker 44
From: "Alson Wong"
Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative"
as even they think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal"
ledger: firmly in favor of Affrimative Action, against the Swift
Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as negative smears usually do),
and I called conservative Alan Keyes a hypocrite.... bottom
line is I've done tallys in the past and am approximately 60%
conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me conservative
in your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing
more....... since labels are what people want I always say I'm
moderate slightly on the conservative side or an independent
thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
Well this'll be a shocker...... I scored 19..... just to the
left of Powell...... I had a few issues with the wording of some of
the questions, but not a bad survey overall......... very
interesting indeed.........
It is interesting, and I had big problems with the wording of at
least three of the questions. I landed right on top of Colin (a 20),
although I voted for Bill Clinton twice.
Janie
I was at 15 with Clinton.
Jeff Mayner
2004-08-26 07:50:44 UTC
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Post by Alson Wong
Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as
even they think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal"
ledger: firmly in favor of Affrimative Action, against the Swift
Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as negative smears usually do),
and I called conservative Alan Keyes a hypocrite.... bottom line
is I've done tallys in the past and am approximately 60%
conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me conservative in
your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing more.......
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly
on the conservative side or an independent thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
I scored a 7.

That surprised me until I thought about it a bit. If I had taken this test
in '99, I suspect I would have been closer to you.

Just shows how far left Bush has pushed me. :-(

Jeff
Viker 44
2004-08-27 03:32:10 UTC
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From: "Jeff Mayner"
Post by Alson Wong
Post by Viker 44
Usually I find that people are not as "liberal" or "conservative" as
even they think..... I'll add a couple more to my "liberal"
ledger: firmly in favor of Affrimative Action, against the Swift
Boat Vets ads (it is hurting Bush as negative smears usually do),
and I called conservative Alan Keyes a hypocrite.... bottom line
is I've done tallys in the past and am approximately 60%
conservative and 40% liberal..... if that makes me conservative in
your eyes, fine.... labels are labels and nothing more.......
since labels are what people want I always say I'm moderate slightly
on the conservative side or an independent thinker.......
http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html
I scored a 17, which puts me right of Bill Clinton and left of Colin Powell.
I scored a 7.
That surprised me until I thought about it a bit. If I had taken this test
in '99, I suspect I would have been closer to you.
Just shows how far left Bush has pushed me. :-(
Jeff
Guess that means no more monthly $50 check to them dern conservative
Libertarians from you.........
Terraholm
2004-08-25 06:55:38 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
I don't expect you to understand..... liberals and conservatives
share the same confusion about moderates...... and name calling is
easy when the reality conflicts with their "truth".....
I have news for you right left, liberal conservitive is not name
calling in my book. You are pretty far right of moderate generally,
as I am pretty far left of the middle.
The "name calling" you do is generally milder than others in here and
no biggie (I can dish it out and take it), but it does happen.....
the name calling I refer to here is really just your attitude that my
vote is a "joke".....
And how is labeling your _vote_ 'name calling'?
Post by Viker 44
if you think so, fine...... but I've always
voted third party and I've always called for other voices and
choices......
been solidly consistent on those themes because
that's what I really believe........
For the umptenth time...I asked a question, It had nothing to do with voting
for the mainstream parties.

You said you will write in Nader, that is a joke from your given reasons. A
serious statement would to write in a name of a person you want to be
president, Does that describe nader? Do not trot past your asbnll tribute
again. I got it already and it is a joke.... Answer this...why not vote for
someone you would want in the job?
Post by Viker 44
I guess
Post by Viker 44
the analogy would be if you were Christian and I an agnostic (which
I am).... I could say there may be a God, but I cannot prove it
either way..... you, as a Christian could not and would not
understand it.....
So I am too stupid to understand a POV? =)
Laurel T
After this thread, I hope not.........
Well you might be able to be more condescending...nah... it might even be a
stretch for you...=)
--
Laurel T
"On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer
an apology to the United States of America.
I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron.
He is a moron, but it wasn't nice of us to point it out.
If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron
shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America.
After all, it's not like you actually elected him.
Rick Mercer, CBC Television
Viker 44
2004-08-26 04:29:07 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
I don't expect you to understand..... liberals and conservatives
share the same confusion about moderates...... and name calling is
easy when the reality conflicts with their "truth".....
I have news for you right left, liberal conservitive is not name
calling in my book. You are pretty far right of moderate generally,
as I am pretty far left of the middle.
The "name calling" you do is generally milder than others in here and
no biggie (I can dish it out and take it), but it does happen.....
the name calling I refer to here is really just your attitude that my
vote is a "joke".....
And how is labeling your _vote_ 'name calling'?
Labeling it a "joke" is name calling...... tho as I said very mild form
of..........
Post by Viker 44
if you think so, fine...... but I've always
voted third party and I've always called for other voices and
choices......
been solidly consistent on those themes because
that's what I really believe........
For the umptenth time...I asked a question, It had nothing to do with voting
for the mainstream parties.
You said you will write in Nader, that is a joke from your given reasons. A
serious statement would to write in a name of a person you want to be
president, Does that describe nader? Do not trot past your asbnll tribute
again. I got it already and it is a joke.... Answer this...why not vote for
someone you would want in the job?
I've already answered this but "maybe" I'm not clear enough..... No third
party has a chance to win...... the key is voting for other than the two main
parties..... it's more of a vote against the current cabal (as I've heard
many say their vote for Kerry is more of a vote against Bush than a true vote
of confidence in Kerry)...... Since no third party has any chance in hell of
winning, it doesn't matter which third party I pick...... later, when third
parties become more viable the choice of will be increasingly important.......
thus my tribute and gift to this newsgroup which has entertained me for oh so
long.......
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
I guess
Post by Viker 44
the analogy would be if you were Christian and I an agnostic (which
I am).... I could say there may be a God, but I cannot prove it
either way..... you, as a Christian could not and would not
understand it.....
So I am too stupid to understand a POV? =)
Laurel T
After this thread, I hope not.........
Well you might be able to be more condescending...nah... it might even be a
stretch for you...=)
--
Laurel T
"On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer
an apology to the United States of America.
I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron.
He is a moron, but it wasn't nice of us to point it out.
If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron
shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America.
After all, it's not like you actually elected him.
Rick Mercer, CBC Television
I try not to be condescending...... I'm mearly trying to help my fellow human
beings break away from a by rote method of thinking...... I should be
applauded for my efforts..........
Terraholm
2004-08-26 14:15:24 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
I don't expect you to understand..... liberals and conservatives
share the same confusion about moderates...... and name calling
is easy when the reality conflicts with their "truth".....
I have news for you right left, liberal conservitive is not name
calling in my book. You are pretty far right of moderate generally,
as I am pretty far left of the middle.
The "name calling" you do is generally milder than others in here
and no biggie (I can dish it out and take it), but it does
happen..... the name calling I refer to here is really just your
attitude that my vote is a "joke".....
And how is labeling your _vote_ 'name calling'?
Labeling it a "joke" is name calling...... tho as I said very mild
form of..........
It is not. In any way. You brought the vote up, and if we were supposed to
take your reason for the vote seriously, you have called yourself
something...=)
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
if you think so, fine...... but I've always
voted third party and I've always called for other voices and
choices......
been solidly consistent on those themes because
that's what I really believe........
For the umptenth time...I asked a question, It had nothing to do
with voting for the mainstream parties.
You said you will write in Nader, that is a joke from your given
reasons. A serious statement would to write in a name of a person
you want to be president, Does that describe nader? Do not trot past
your asbnll tribute again. I got it already and it is a joke....
Answer this...why not vote for someone you would want in the job?
I've already answered this but "maybe" I'm not clear enough..... No
third party has a chance to win...... the key is voting for other
than the two main parties..... it's more of a vote against the
current cabal (as I've heard many say their vote for Kerry is more of
a vote against Bush than a true vote of confidence in Kerry)......
When I suggested before it was a vote against the 2 parties, not a vote for
nader, you denied it.
Perfectly good reason, not the joke of doing so for asbnll.
Post by Viker 44
Since no third party has any chance in hell of winning, it doesn't
matter which third party I pick......
later, when third parties
become more viable the choice of will be increasingly
important....... thus my tribute and gift to this newsgroup which has
entertained me for oh so long.......
So you write in nader as a joke, because you would not truly vote for the
man...I see. =)
Post by Viker 44
I try not to be condescending......
You are failing badly.
--
Laurel T
"Elections require some consensus about the rules
of the game," "They only work if the parties that lose
are willing to accept defeat."
Marina Ottaway
Viker 44
2004-08-27 03:35:20 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
I try not to be condescending......
You are failing badly.
--
Laurel T
"Elections require some consensus about the rules
of the game," "They only work if the parties that lose
are willing to accept defeat."
Marina Ottaway
I think I've done better as the years have past...... I used to have too
large an ego....... now I fit in with the common folk........
Vic Romano
2004-08-19 20:47:17 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not
vote for if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not want
for president, an extremist you would never vote for if he might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like to
see in the office?
A third party vote is a third party vote since none of them have any
chance of winning with the Dem/Repub cabal firmly in place.... As I
said the Nader vote is in honor of those toiling daily in here trying
to promote a doomed extreme left wing agenda..... it is a sincere
nod to them..... they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
I thought Nader got booted off the ballot in 'Zona. But then, you're a
Bush-lover all the way, aren't you?
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
Viker 44
2004-08-20 02:58:53 UTC
Permalink
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Post by Terraholm
Post by Viker 44
Again we Independents are ignored for what we represent.....
You are voting for someone that can not win, and that you would not
vote for if he might win.
That says a lot all right....
What does it say? I've already explained my POV of this vote and
You write how independents are ignored for what you represent, then
represent them by proudly voting for who you would absolutely not want
for president, an extremist you would never vote for if he might win.
Is there no eligible American you can write in that you would like to
see in the office?
A third party vote is a third party vote since none of them have any
chance of winning with the Dem/Repub cabal firmly in place.... As I
said the Nader vote is in honor of those toiling daily in here trying
to promote a doomed extreme left wing agenda..... it is a sincere
nod to them..... they may be misguided or dogmatic, but I believe
most of them are sincere about their political beliefs........
I thought Nader got booted off the ballot in 'Zona. But then, you're a
Bush-lover all the way, aren't you?
I've already addressed this issue on the first post of this thread:

---------------------------

4. I'll do it in honor of the extreme libs in this group who entertain me on a
daily basis..... It's the only way I can repay the enjoyment of reading the
conspiracy crazies that bring me so many laughs..... That keeps my record of
trying to get third parties more votes, yet I don't have to worry about Nader
actually winning...... (on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have
squelched Nader being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in
vote... wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???


---------------------------

And nope, there are plenty of things about Bush I do not "love"..... see,
unlike you I can think independently from the majority parties...........
Vic Romano
2004-08-20 15:34:23 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
(on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have squelched Nader
being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in vote...
wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
Not the dems fault they falsified signatures. You cheat, you lose. Unless
you're a Bush.
Post by Viker 44
---------------------------
And nope, there are plenty of things about Bush I do not "love".....
see, unlike you I can think independently from the majority
parties...........
This has got to be the single most ironic post in the history of usenet.
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
Viker 44
2004-08-21 02:54:28 UTC
Permalink
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
(on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have squelched Nader
being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in vote...
wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
Not the dems fault they falsified signatures. You cheat, you lose. Unless
you're a Bush.
lol.... love rationalization of suppressing people's rights to vote for whom
they choose...... Dems and Repubs got you exactly where they want you.......
Post by Viker 44
And nope, there are plenty of things about Bush I do not "love".....
see, unlike you I can think independently from the majority
parties...........
This has got to be the single most ironic post in the history of usenet.
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the political
aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose individually on political
issues.... I realize that is a hard concept for far right or left wingers to
grasp... I don't expect you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize
with you...........
Vic Romano
2004-08-21 16:58:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viker 44
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
(on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have squelched Nader
being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in vote...
wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
Not the dems fault they falsified signatures. You cheat, you lose.
Unless you're a Bush.
lol.... love rationalization of suppressing people's rights to vote
for whom they choose...... Dems and Repubs got you exactly where
they want you.......
talk about "lol" - here you are defending cheaters. And not just
cheaters, but *republican* cheaters who are so desperate and know their
boy is in so much trouble that they are trying to get Nader on the ballot
to steal votes from Kerry. That's just too rich. It's like Nixon and
Jesse Jackson. But you are probably too young to remember that one.
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
And nope, there are plenty of things about Bush I do not "love".....
see, unlike you I can think independently from the majority
parties...........
This has got to be the single most ironic post in the history of usenet.
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect you
to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist? What a
laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
bozak
2004-08-22 12:54:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
(on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have squelched Nader
being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in vote...
wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
Not the dems fault they falsified signatures. You cheat, you lose.
Unless you're a Bush.
lol.... love rationalization of suppressing people's rights to vote
for whom they choose...... Dems and Repubs got you exactly where
they want you.......
talk about "lol" - here you are defending cheaters. And not just
cheaters, but *republican* cheaters who are so desperate and know their
boy is in so much trouble that they are trying to get Nader on the ballot
to steal votes from Kerry. That's just too rich. It's like Nixon and
Jesse Jackson. But you are probably too young to remember that one.
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
And nope, there are plenty of things about Bush I do not "love".....
see, unlike you I can think independently from the majority
parties...........
This has got to be the single most ironic post in the history of usenet.
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect you
to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist? What a
laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
just say no to the idiocy of victim44..
VicXnews
2004-08-22 18:53:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by bozak
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
(on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have squelched
Nader being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in
vote... wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
Not the dems fault they falsified signatures. You cheat, you lose.
Unless you're a Bush.
lol.... love rationalization of suppressing people's rights to
vote for whom they choose...... Dems and Repubs got you exactly
where they want you.......
talk about "lol" - here you are defending cheaters. And not just
cheaters, but *republican* cheaters who are so desperate and know
their boy is in so much trouble that they are trying to get Nader on
the ballot to steal votes from Kerry. That's just too rich. It's like
Nixon and Jesse Jackson. But you are probably too young to remember
that one.
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
And nope, there are plenty of things about Bush I do not
"love".....
see, unlike you I can think independently from the majority
parties...........
This has got to be the single most ironic post in the history of usenet.
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect
you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with
you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist?
What a laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
just say no to the idiocy of victim44..
you mean victim440,000
--
If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that
matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen
somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between
medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my
grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without
benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters'
keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our
individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family.
"E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Barack Obama
-------------
Welfare State is not a dirty word. It simply means that the government
has a concern and responsibility that the standard of living shall not
fall below a certain level. The Democratic Party has been meeting this
responsibility since FDR
Johnny Morgan
Viker 44
2004-08-24 04:23:23 UTC
Permalink
From: " bozak"
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect you
to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist? What a
laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
just say no to the idiocy of victim44..
Exactly how skullfucked is bozak....?? too funny........
Viker 44
2004-08-24 04:22:27 UTC
Permalink
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect you
to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist? What a
laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
Read my reply to Laurel in this same thread..... it addresses your concerns
that I'm a far right wing extremist..... I am not..... I share some
conservative values and some liberal values........ whether you believe me or
not is moot..... you, of course, are free to label me what you wish......
just as some conservatives have called me a "bleeding heart liberal" in their
confusion........
Vic Romano
2004-08-25 15:21:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viker 44
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect
you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with
you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist? What
a laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
Read my reply to Laurel in this same thread..... it addresses your
concerns that I'm a far right wing extremist..... I am not..... I
share some conservative values and some liberal values........
whether you believe me or not is moot..... you, of course, are free
to label me what you wish...... just as some conservatives have
called me a "bleeding heart liberal" in their confusion........
1) You can call yourself whatever you want. Your rhetoric reveals the
truth

2) Except for a few token "liberal issues" you are firmly in the far-
right camp

3) There are several conservatives who post here and I've never seen any
one of them call you "moderate" or even disagree with you much less call
you a "bleeding heart liberal." Maybe you could provide a link to such a
post?
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
Viker 44
2004-08-26 03:59:57 UTC
Permalink
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect
you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with
you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist? What
a laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
Read my reply to Laurel in this same thread..... it addresses your
concerns that I'm a far right wing extremist..... I am not..... I
share some conservative values and some liberal values........
whether you believe me or not is moot..... you, of course, are free
to label me what you wish...... just as some conservatives have
called me a "bleeding heart liberal" in their confusion........
1) You can call yourself whatever you want. Your rhetoric reveals the
truth
2) Except for a few token "liberal issues" you are firmly in the far-
right camp
Nope, not true...... but as I told Laurel I'm not surprised by your
labeling...... fully understandable when your "religion" is even slightly
questioned...........
3) There are several conservatives who post here and I've never seen any
one of them call you "moderate" or even disagree with you much less call
you a "bleeding heart liberal." Maybe you could provide a link to such a
post?
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
I've been called bleeding heart a few times on Usenet and many times in real
life.... here's a quick one from a quick search about the 13th or 14th
message down: http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6FE15329 and it's your right
to pretend it's never happened to me............
Vic Romano
2004-08-26 17:12:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viker 44
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect
you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with
you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist?
What a laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
Read my reply to Laurel in this same thread..... it addresses your
concerns that I'm a far right wing extremist..... I am not..... I
share some conservative values and some liberal values........
whether you believe me or not is moot..... you, of course, are free
to label me what you wish...... just as some conservatives have
called me a "bleeding heart liberal" in their confusion........
1) You can call yourself whatever you want. Your rhetoric reveals the
truth
2) Except for a few token "liberal issues" you are firmly in the far-
right camp
Nope, not true......
But no counter examples. Just another unsubstantiated and baseless
assertion.
Post by Viker 44
3) There are several conservatives who post here and I've never seen
any one of them call you "moderate" or even disagree with you much
less call you a "bleeding heart liberal." Maybe you could provide a
link to such a post?
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
I've been called bleeding heart a few times on Usenet and many times
in real life.... here's a quick one from a quick search about the
13th or 14th message down: http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6FE15329
and it's your right to pretend it's never happened to me............
Well Viker, I have to hand it to you. Only you could be called a
"bleeding heart liberal" by someone calling black people "darkies". Fine,
I admit it, compared the radical wing of the KKK, you are liberal. What
an accomplishment.

FTR, here's the post Viker linked to:

"Hey, AAAAAAAAAAASSHOLE. I don't have to teach them anything. They learn
it FROM THE DARKIES THEMSELVES. Since you and the other bleeding heart
liberal knumbskullian idiots love the darkies so much, why the fuck
don't you get your ass down to the ghetto and move in next door to them,
you hypocritic idiot?"

This is like being called a conservative by Karl Marx.
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
bozak
2004-08-26 17:54:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect
you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with
you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist?
What a laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
Read my reply to Laurel in this same thread..... it addresses your
concerns that I'm a far right wing extremist..... I am not..... I
share some conservative values and some liberal values........
whether you believe me or not is moot..... you, of course, are free
to label me what you wish...... just as some conservatives have
called me a "bleeding heart liberal" in their confusion........
1) You can call yourself whatever you want. Your rhetoric reveals the
truth
2) Except for a few token "liberal issues" you are firmly in the far-
right camp
Nope, not true......
But no counter examples. Just another unsubstantiated and baseless
assertion.
Post by Viker 44
3) There are several conservatives who post here and I've never seen
any one of them call you "moderate" or even disagree with you much
less call you a "bleeding heart liberal." Maybe you could provide a
link to such a post?
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
I've been called bleeding heart a few times on Usenet and many times
in real life.... here's a quick one from a quick search about the
13th or 14th message down: http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6FE15329
and it's your right to pretend it's never happened to me............
Well Viker, I have to hand it to you. Only you could be called a
"bleeding heart liberal" by someone calling black people "darkies". Fine,
I admit it, compared the radical wing of the KKK, you are liberal. What
an accomplishment.
"Hey, AAAAAAAAAAASSHOLE. I don't have to teach them anything. They learn
it FROM THE DARKIES THEMSELVES. Since you and the other bleeding heart
liberal knumbskullian idiots love the darkies so much, why the fuck
don't you get your ass down to the ghetto and move in next door to them,
you hypocritic idiot?"
This is like being called a conservative by Karl Marx.
victim44 is hilarious... its a shame that he isnt trying to be...
Viker 44
2004-08-27 03:43:27 UTC
Permalink
From: " bozak"
Post by Vic Romano
"Hey, AAAAAAAAAAASSHOLE. I don't have to teach them anything. They learn
it FROM THE DARKIES THEMSELVES. Since you and the other bleeding heart
liberal knumbskullian idiots love the darkies so much, why the fuck
don't you get your ass down to the ghetto and move in next door to them,
you hypocritic idiot?"
This is like being called a conservative by Karl Marx.
victim44 is hilarious... its a shame that he isnt trying to be...
denise so skullfucked he/she cain't even think anymore...... wait... he never
could think from day one..... lol...

Viker 44
2004-08-27 03:41:54 UTC
Permalink
From: Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Post by Vic Romano
Post by Viker 44
Don't blame me you need to be spoon feed from one side of the
political aisle....... moderates are free to pick and choose
individually on political issues.... I realize that is a hard
concept for far right or left wingers to grasp... I don't expect
you to understand, the best I can do is sympathize with
you...........
How can you speak about moderates when you are such an extremist?
What a laugh. You're moderate like Trent Lott is moderate.
Read my reply to Laurel in this same thread..... it addresses your
concerns that I'm a far right wing extremist..... I am not..... I
share some conservative values and some liberal values........
whether you believe me or not is moot..... you, of course, are free
to label me what you wish...... just as some conservatives have
called me a "bleeding heart liberal" in their confusion........
1) You can call yourself whatever you want. Your rhetoric reveals the
truth
2) Except for a few token "liberal issues" you are firmly in the far-
right camp
Nope, not true......
But no counter examples. Just another unsubstantiated and baseless
assertion.
I gave multiple examples in this very thread..... reread it and you shall
find them.... and I've posted multiple times against the conservative POV in
these various usenet groups...... There's not much more I can do to convince
you, so fine..... label me as you choose, but if I were conservative I'd
simply say I was........ I ain't.......
Post by Viker 44
Post by Vic Romano
3) There are several conservatives who post here and I've never seen
any one of them call you "moderate" or even disagree with you much
less call you a "bleeding heart liberal." Maybe you could provide a
link to such a post?
I've been called bleeding heart a few times on Usenet and many times
in real life.... here's a quick one from a quick search about the
13th or 14th message down: http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6FE15329
and it's your right to pretend it's never happened to me............
Well Viker, I have to hand it to you. Only you could be called a
"bleeding heart liberal" by someone calling black people "darkies". Fine,
I admit it, compared the radical wing of the KKK, you are liberal. What
an accomplishment.
"Hey, AAAAAAAAAAASSHOLE. I don't have to teach them anything. They learn
it FROM THE DARKIES THEMSELVES. Since you and the other bleeding heart
liberal knumbskullian idiots love the darkies so much, why the fuck
don't you get your ass down to the ghetto and move in next door to them,
you hypocritic idiot?"
This is like being called a conservative by Karl Marx.
--
Don't Get Eliminated!!
Like I said it was a quick search..... it truely does not matter what I say
or post as an example here because anyone that doesn't agree 100% with your
liberal philosophy is an evil conservative in your mind...... the problem is
yours, not mine........
dribbledrive
2004-08-11 06:09:02 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally decided who
to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
1. Pissed off at Little George...... sorry, bushy wushy, but it's way past
time you put your money where your mouth is..... what the hell is going on???
Sadr is now surrounded in a Mosque, we have the green light to snag him, and
the mother fucker is still alive??? Iran and Syria are trying their best to
"carve up" Iraq and we ain't doing shit about it??? Fuck this shit.....
what happened to the war against terror/fanatics??? We need to drop a MOAB
outside the citys of Tehran and Damascus (thus causing me to lose the Branden
Wolner Kaboomer poll of a year ago)...... we need to tell these a-holes to
lay off Iraq or it's Tomahawk time.... this bullshit waiting for the politcal
season to end before doing something is weak and hypocritical.... King George
does not get my vote.....
2. Kerry is a Fairy...... can't even throw a freaking baseball past home
plate.... simply said I don't believe him...... he says free healthcare and
schooling for all and won't raise taxes (cept for peeple making $200,000 or
more, cept he said he would cut taxes for small business owners, cept those are
the very same peeeps making $200,000 or more!!!)...... look, I have no
problem with this dude as Prez cept the gamble is we have a 4 to 8 year period
where the terrorists get to regroup, realign, rebuild, resupply, and
re-monetorize.... I can't accept this gamble..... the wheels have been set
in motion in the middle east for reform and we need hard hitting pressure, even
military if nessasary......... plus with a Repub Senate and House we will see
more fillabustering than ever in US history......... Kerry will be unable to
get any legislation through..
3. I always vote for a third party anyhoo..... I changed my registration from
Libertarian to Independent, thus Nader is a good choice..... I don't agree
with 70% of his policies, but at least he's honest in his convictions, unlike
Kerry or Bush........
4. I'll do it in honor of the extreme libs in this group who entertain me on a
daily basis..... It's the only way I can repay the enjoyment of reading the
conspiracy crazies that bring me so many laughs..... That keeps my record of
trying to get third parties more votes, yet I don't have to worry about Nader
actually winning...... (on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats have
squelched Nader being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in
vote... wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
Go for it. Somehow I still think its possible Nader will drop out before
the election. Shit. The guy is getting free money from Republicans to stay
in. Would you quit now?

His former Greens aren't supporting him so Perot's Reform Party has to do
it. Think about that. In case anybody forgot, Perot was the spoiler to
Bush 41. It's possible the people donating money to Nader really will vote
for him. How soon will the GOP panic when they start to see that Nader is
pulling votes from the Bush camp instead of Kerry.
http://www.reformparty.org/cgi-bin/hcgmain.cgi
Laxedo
2004-08-11 15:15:14 UTC
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Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally
decided who
Post by Viker 44
to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
1. Pissed off at Little George...... sorry, bushy wushy, but it's way
past
Post by Viker 44
time you put your money where your mouth is..... what the hell is going
on???
Post by Viker 44
Sadr is now surrounded in a Mosque, we have the green light to snag him,
and
Post by Viker 44
the mother fucker is still alive??? Iran and Syria are trying their best
to
Post by Viker 44
"carve up" Iraq and we ain't doing shit about it??? Fuck this shit.....
what happened to the war against terror/fanatics??? We need to drop a
MOAB
Post by Viker 44
outside the citys of Tehran and Damascus (thus causing me to lose the
Branden
Post by Viker 44
Wolner Kaboomer poll of a year ago)...... we need to tell these a-holes
to
Post by Viker 44
lay off Iraq or it's Tomahawk time.... this bullshit waiting for the
politcal
Post by Viker 44
season to end before doing something is weak and hypocritical.... King
George
Post by Viker 44
does not get my vote.....
2. Kerry is a Fairy...... can't even throw a freaking baseball past
home
Post by Viker 44
plate.... simply said I don't believe him...... he says free healthcare
and
Post by Viker 44
schooling for all and won't raise taxes (cept for peeple making $200,000
or
Post by Viker 44
more, cept he said he would cut taxes for small business owners, cept
those are
Post by Viker 44
the very same peeeps making $200,000 or more!!!)...... look, I have no
problem with this dude as Prez cept the gamble is we have a 4 to 8 year
period
Post by Viker 44
where the terrorists get to regroup, realign, rebuild, resupply, and
re-monetorize.... I can't accept this gamble..... the wheels have been
set
Post by Viker 44
in motion in the middle east for reform and we need hard hitting pressure,
even
Post by Viker 44
military if nessasary......... plus with a Repub Senate and House we
will see
Post by Viker 44
more fillabustering than ever in US history......... Kerry will be unable
to
Post by Viker 44
get any legislation through..
3. I always vote for a third party anyhoo..... I changed my registration
from
Post by Viker 44
Libertarian to Independent, thus Nader is a good choice..... I don't
agree
Post by Viker 44
with 70% of his policies, but at least he's honest in his convictions,
unlike
Post by Viker 44
Kerry or Bush........
4. I'll do it in honor of the extreme libs in this group who entertain me
on a
Post by Viker 44
daily basis..... It's the only way I can repay the enjoyment of reading
the
Post by Viker 44
conspiracy crazies that bring me so many laughs..... That keeps my record
of
Post by Viker 44
trying to get third parties more votes, yet I don't have to worry about
Nader
Post by Viker 44
actually winning...... (on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats
have
Post by Viker 44
squelched Nader being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in
vote... wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
haha SUCKA!!

Just one less vote for Hanoi John is all.
Post by Viker 44
Go for it. Somehow I still think its possible Nader will drop out before
the election. Shit. The guy is getting free money from Republicans to stay
in. Would you quit now?
His former Greens aren't supporting him so Perot's Reform Party has to do
it. Think about that. In case anybody forgot, Perot was the spoiler to
Bush 41. It's possible the people donating money to Nader really will vote
for him. How soon will the GOP panic when they start to see that Nader is
pulling votes from the Bush camp instead of Kerry.
http://www.reformparty.org/cgi-bin/hcgmain.cgi
windom earl
2004-08-11 17:37:34 UTC
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viker44 you are sad

just come out and have the balls to say you are voting for Bush
Post by Laxedo
Post by Viker 44
Post by Viker 44
The election is 83 1/4 days away (in my time zone) and I've finally
decided who
Post by Viker 44
to cast my vote for: Ralph Nader......
1. Pissed off at Little George...... sorry, bushy wushy, but it's way
past
Post by Viker 44
time you put your money where your mouth is..... what the hell is going
on???
Post by Viker 44
Sadr is now surrounded in a Mosque, we have the green light to snag him,
and
Post by Viker 44
the mother fucker is still alive??? Iran and Syria are trying their best
to
Post by Viker 44
"carve up" Iraq and we ain't doing shit about it??? Fuck this shit.....
what happened to the war against terror/fanatics??? We need to drop a
MOAB
Post by Viker 44
outside the citys of Tehran and Damascus (thus causing me to lose the
Branden
Post by Viker 44
Wolner Kaboomer poll of a year ago)...... we need to tell these a-holes
to
Post by Viker 44
lay off Iraq or it's Tomahawk time.... this bullshit waiting for the
politcal
Post by Viker 44
season to end before doing something is weak and hypocritical....
King
Post by Laxedo
Post by Viker 44
George
Post by Viker 44
does not get my vote.....
2. Kerry is a Fairy...... can't even throw a freaking baseball past
home
Post by Viker 44
plate.... simply said I don't believe him...... he says free healthcare
and
Post by Viker 44
schooling for all and won't raise taxes (cept for peeple making $200,000
or
Post by Viker 44
more, cept he said he would cut taxes for small business owners, cept
those are
Post by Viker 44
the very same peeeps making $200,000 or more!!!)...... look, I have no
problem with this dude as Prez cept the gamble is we have a 4 to 8 year
period
Post by Viker 44
where the terrorists get to regroup, realign, rebuild, resupply, and
re-monetorize.... I can't accept this gamble..... the wheels have been
set
Post by Viker 44
in motion in the middle east for reform and we need hard hitting pressure,
even
Post by Viker 44
military if nessasary......... plus with a Repub Senate and House we
will see
Post by Viker 44
more fillabustering than ever in US history......... Kerry will be unable
to
Post by Viker 44
get any legislation through..
3. I always vote for a third party anyhoo..... I changed my registration
from
Post by Viker 44
Libertarian to Independent, thus Nader is a good choice..... I don't
agree
Post by Viker 44
with 70% of his policies, but at least he's honest in his convictions,
unlike
Post by Viker 44
Kerry or Bush........
4. I'll do it in honor of the extreme libs in this group who entertain me
on a
Post by Viker 44
daily basis..... It's the only way I can repay the enjoyment of reading
the
Post by Viker 44
conspiracy crazies that bring me so many laughs..... That keeps my record
of
Post by Viker 44
trying to get third parties more votes, yet I don't have to worry about
Nader
Post by Viker 44
actually winning...... (on a side note, the "freedom loving" Democrats
have
Post by Viker 44
squelched Nader being on the Arizona ballot, thus it has to be a write in
vote... wow, freedom reigns, ayyy???
________________
Vote Nader IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!
Be TRUE to yourself!!!!!!!!!
haha SUCKA!!
Just one less vote for Hanoi John is all.
Post by Viker 44
Go for it. Somehow I still think its possible Nader will drop out before
the election. Shit. The guy is getting free money from Republicans to stay
in. Would you quit now?
His former Greens aren't supporting him so Perot's Reform Party has to do
it. Think about that. In case anybody forgot, Perot was the spoiler to
Bush 41. It's possible the people donating money to Nader really will vote
for him. How soon will the GOP panic when they start to see that Nader is
pulling votes from the Bush camp instead of Kerry.
http://www.reformparty.org/cgi-bin/hcgmain.cgi
Fred
2004-08-11 17:55:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by windom earl
viker44 you are sad
just come out and have the balls to say you are voting for Bush
He's anticipating the arguements that Nader is stealing votes from Kerry and
helping Bush, and now he'll be able to say "Hey, there are plenty of us that
voted for Bush, that are voting for Nader"

Then he'll go vote for his favorite boy pResident.


-Fred
Viker 44
2004-08-12 04:54:18 UTC
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From: "Fred"
Post by windom earl
viker44 you are sad
just come out and have the balls to say you are voting for Bush
He's anticipating the arguements that Nader is stealing votes from Kerry and
helping Bush, and now he'll be able to say "Hey, there are plenty of us that
voted for Bush, that are voting for Nader"
Then he'll go vote for his favorite boy pResident.
-Fred
lol.... conspiracy theorists to the bitter end..... if I were voting for
Bush I would state so here..... there's no reason I shouldn't or wouldn't
state that here..... If it makes you happy, I'll easily state I prefer Bush
over Kerry, but always vote third party...... it's the only way we'll ever
break this power grip the Dems and Repubs have on this country... it'll take a
decade or so, but there will be viable third parties emerging..... in fact,
maybe after the 2008 election........
Viker 44
2004-08-12 04:50:58 UTC
Permalink
From: "windom earl"
viker44 you are sad
just come out and have the balls to say you are voting for Bush
I never cast a Presidential vote for either the Dems or the Repubs..... I've
considered it but always choose a third party candidate.... If I were voting
for Bush I'd have ZERO problem stating that here....... but I ain't, so deal
with it........
Viker 44
2004-08-12 04:48:48 UTC
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From: "dribbledrive"
Go for it. Somehow I still think its possible Nader will drop out before
the election. Shit. The guy is getting free money from Republicans to stay
in. Would you quit now?
I would not quit..... but fact is the Democrats have blocked him out of
several states..... he'll only appear on the ballot of a handful of states
and will have practically zero impact this time around...... as I told you
all several months ago...
Terraholm
2004-08-12 06:58:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viker 44
From: "dribbledrive"
Go for it. Somehow I still think its possible Nader will drop out
before the election. Shit. The guy is getting free money from
Republicans to stay in. Would you quit now?
I would not quit..... but fact is the Democrats have blocked him
out of several states.....
He also just does not have much support this time. In Oregon, where he got a
good percentage last time, instead of a petition drive statewide he used the
option of getting 1000 people gathered to sign for him in one day and place.
He tried 2 times with about 500 to 700 showing up in Portland. The third try
he got over 1000 because the republicans called over 1000 bush supporters
and asked them to attend.
Post by Viker 44
he'll only appear on the ballot of a
handful of states and will have practically zero impact this time
around...... as I told you all several months ago...
Could make a huge difference in a few close states, and it might only take
one.

States of flux

A poll last week had Kerry on 48%, Bush 43%, and Nader 3%. If Nader gets on
the ballots, and taking into account polls' margins of error, he can turn
several states, including:

Florida
Kerry 1% up on Bush
Nader 1.5%

Minnesota
Kerry 1% up on Bush
Nader 2%

New Hampshire
Kerry 4% up on Bush
Nader 4%

Pennsylvania
Kerry 5% up on Bush
Nader 5%

· Source: Zogby International, Mason Dixon, the University of New Hampshire
Viker 44
2004-08-13 04:04:42 UTC
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From: "Terraholm"
Post by Viker 44
From: "dribbledrive"
Go for it. Somehow I still think its possible Nader will drop out
before the election. Shit. The guy is getting free money from
Republicans to stay in. Would you quit now?
I would not quit..... but fact is the Democrats have blocked him
out of several states.....
He also just does not have much support this time. In Oregon, where he got a
good percentage last time, instead of a petition drive statewide he used the
option of getting 1000 people gathered to sign for him in one day and place.
He tried 2 times with about 500 to 700 showing up in Portland. The third try
he got over 1000 because the republicans called over 1000 bush supporters
and asked them to attend.
Post by Viker 44
he'll only appear on the ballot of a
handful of states and will have practically zero impact this time
around...... as I told you all several months ago...
Could make a huge difference in a few close states, and it might only take
one.
Nope...... this year's election is huge for both parties and extremely
polorized...... the economy will stay strong the next 4 years and both parties
want the credit for that..... also there is a great chance the war on terror
will take a huge swing for the better in the next 6 months to 2 1/2 years.....
whichever party holds the oval office will get credit for that as well......
this is huge..... huge Huger..... HUGEST................. I give a lot
of credit to the Dems for hitting hard to get voters signed up....... that
was huge of them........
States of flux
A poll last week had Kerry on 48%, Bush 43%, and Nader 3%. If Nader gets on
the ballots, and taking into account polls' margins of error, he can turn
Florida
Kerry 1% up on Bush
Nader 1.5%
Minnesota
Kerry 1% up on Bush
Nader 2%
New Hampshire
Kerry 4% up on Bush
Nader 4%
Pennsylvania
Kerry 5% up on Bush
Nader 5%
· Source: Zogby International, Mason Dixon, the University of New Hampshire
John Zogby is a decent pollster even if a self admitted Democratic
pollster.....

this site keeps a pretty good count of ongoing state polls as well..... they
have your saviour Kerry up 307 to 231..... currently:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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